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NEW VISA LAWS - no interview at the Korean consulate!
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Aussiekimchi



Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Location: SYDNEY

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: NEW VISA LAWS - no interview at the Korean consulate! Reply with quote

There was a notice sent out to many recruiters on Friday by immigration.

It basically said:

Teachers coming after January 1st, 2008 will be required to:
1. Get a criminal check
2. Get a medical done at home and in Korea.

There will be no interview at any Korean consulate unless suspicious applications are submitted.



Criminal Check:
It will be mandatory.
This must be a national check and indicating no previous record.
A lot of grey area as to what is serious and what isn't. There cannot possibly be a "no tolerance" policy. There are always degrees or severity and circumstances.

Medical Check:
Done before and after you arrive in Korea.
You will get one done in your own country or wherever you are currently.
also
Shortly after arrival in Korea, a mandatory health check will be done before the teacher is issued their Alien Resident Card. The school will instruct the teacher as to when and where the check will take place. The checks will take place at clinics/hospitals authorized by the Korean Government. It has yet to be decided who will bear the cost of the checks (the school or the teacher).

The list of approved clinics has yet to be given...but some might skeptically assume that these will be in places which have sufficiently bribed govt officials to profit from increased business...

The health check will include a physical, as well as a blood sample.
Evidence of drugs and contageous diseases will be tested.

Schools and recruiters will not be held responsible for any costs incurred by failing the tests (including plane tickets, travel costs, accommodation etc). So basically if you fail, you go home on your own coin.

Interview at the Korean consulate in your home country.

The Korean government has decided to omit the personal interview with the Korean consulate unless unusual circumstances exist. The only time this will be required is if the Korean government has any suspicions about the teacher. The teacher will be notified of the need to interview at that point.

There is still a lot of grey areas.
I am not sure where that leaves us with Japan visa runs.
Also, as the notice stated that these changes will be enforced for teachers arriving after Jan 1st, I am not sure what happens if you apply before this date for a number but intend on arriving after Jan 1st.

As always, there are still a lot of tweaks needed and as this is Korea, things will change after a few mistakes are realised...but this may be a decent start. More clues to come.

For more info or confirmation on the notice sent out by Immi, check with your recruiter or school boss.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do you have a link that says the same thing or a scan of the actual document?
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Tony_Balony



Joined: 12 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also, as the notice stated that these changes will be enforced for teachers arriving after Jan 1st, I am not sure what happens if you apply before this date for a number but intend on arriving after Jan 1st.



This is foggy. Do you do this just once or at every new e2 issuance? I arrived along time ago.
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Aussiekimchi



Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Location: SYDNEY

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah I know...there is so much that is still unclear...this is all I know at the moment. It is frustrating for us too.
We still really do not know EXACTLY what to tell people.
I was just happy the consulate interviews look like to have been scrapped.
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Tony_Balony



Joined: 12 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, thats important but I'd like something else scrapped in addition to the interview. Even without the interview, it looks like the Cans might have to go back.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: NEW VISA LAWS - no interview at the Korean consulate! Reply with quote

Aussiekimchi wrote:

2. Get a medical done at home and in Korea.


Medical Check:
Done before and after you arrive in Korea.
You will get one done in your own country or wherever you are currently.
also
Shortly after arrival in Korea, a mandatory health check will be done before the teacher is issued their Alien Resident Card. The school will instruct the teacher as to when and where the check will take place. The checks will take place at clinics/hospitals authorized by the Korean Government. It has yet to be decided who will bear the cost of the checks (the school or the teacher).

The list of approved clinics has yet to be given...but some might skeptically assume that these will be in places which have sufficiently bribed govt officials to profit from increased business...

The health check will include a physical, as well as a blood sample.
Evidence of drugs and contageous diseases will be tested.

Schools and recruiters will not be held responsible for any costs incurred by failing the tests (including plane tickets, travel costs, accommodation etc). So basically if you fail, you go home on your own coin.



a medical both at home AND in K? ?? Rolling Eyes

that's such BS!!

i had to spend good $$ just to get immunized to come over here because of the Hepatitis in the seafood; no one dare drink the water - yet when i was in south africa you could drink the water from the tap just about anywhere; here people sneeze cough spit hurl sniffle drool ooze all over each other - contagion is rampant in winter -

and they want ME to prove I'M the healthy one????? Rolling Eyes

right uh huh....
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garykasparov



Joined: 27 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many brown envelopes of money did hagwon owners give to immigration officials to scrap consulate interviews?
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:21 pm    Post subject: Re: NEW VISA LAWS - no interview at the Korean consulate! Reply with quote

Aussiekimchi wrote:

Medical Check:
Done before and after you arrive in Korea.
You will get one done in your own country or wherever you are currently.
also
Shortly after arrival in Korea, a mandatory health check will be done before the teacher is issued their Alien Resident Card. The school will instruct the teacher as to when and where the check will take place. The checks will take place at clinics/hospitals authorized by the Korean Government. It has yet to be decided who will bear the cost of the checks (the school or the teacher).


Wow. That's stupid.
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Optimus Prime



Joined: 05 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Re: NEW VISA LAWS - no interview at the Korean consulate! Reply with quote

Aussiekimchi wrote:

Schools and recruiters will not be held responsible for any costs incurred by failing the tests (including plane tickets, travel costs, accommodation etc). So basically if you fail, you go home on your own coin.
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I predict thousands of North Americans that arrive broke and unexpectedly fail the in-Korea medical to be wandering the street of Seoul looking for enough privates until they can earn a plane ticket out of this ridiculous country.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: NEW VISA LAWS - no interview at the Korean consulate! Reply with quote

Aussiekimchi wrote:

Medical Check:
Done before and after you arrive in Korea.
You will get one done in your own country or wherever you are currently.
also
Shortly after arrival in Korea, a mandatory health check will be done


What about those already in korea applying for a new E2. Will they have to fly home to get a medical and then fly back here to get another one?

Quote:
Criminal Check:
It will be mandatory.
This must be a national check


Britain does not do "national" checks. Each local police force does their own check. Thus I could get a check from London stating no criminal record but not send the one from Yorkshire that says I am an axe murderer.
Furthermore they do not issue checks for people that have been out the country for more than 10 years.


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jjk



Joined: 29 Aug 2004
Location: Back in Australia for the time being

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told by Daejeon Immigration (via my soon to be school) that the at home medical would be a self completed form- "I am drug and disease free..." or the like, and the medical check would be arranged by them when we go for the ARC.

I asked what this medical would entail, and as my step-father is a doctor, I could get it all done in Australia for free. I was told if I did a full medical here, I would still need to complete a Korean one....perhaps Canadian trained, Australian registered doctors aren't honest enough to complete Korean immigration paper work?

The school also told me that though the application would be submitted within a couple of weeks, since we are starting in February, we would need to provide all of the police checks and do the medical.

As for the police check, I was told that it is still to be finalized in regards to what level they will need- local or national, and that it might vary for different countries. Perhaps the MOJ have twigged on to the fact that there are substantial delays with federal checks in some countries. He still couldn't confirm the apostille/no apostille information, nor that of the age of transcripts or police checks. He is going to get back to me after speaking with immigration again.

The news about the interviews is promising.
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Geoff1111



Joined: 20 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like we have to go back to our home countries and give ourselves
the full medical check by our own coin. This will be extremely expensive and time consuming. Otherwise we risk coming to Korea, failing the test here, losing our jobs, and flying ourselves home at our own expense.

There are many people who are carriers of the proposed tested infectious diseases that do not have any symptoms. In fact some statistics say that up to 10% of Koreans are carriers of hepatitis B. I would be curious to know if Koreans are being tested before being allowed in the classroom.

Regardless, these diseases can only be spread through blood to blood contact.

These medical tests raise some ethical questions.

If these diseases are so risky to have in the classroom shouldn't Korean teachers be tested?

What about the students? Student can be very rough when playing with each other. Isn't there a danger that a student infected with hepatitis could infect other students or even the teachers.

Are docters tested? Are nurses tested? Are dentists tested?
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jjk



Joined: 29 Aug 2004
Location: Back in Australia for the time being

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geoff1111 wrote:

There are many people who are carriers of the proposed tested infectious diseases that do not have any symptoms.


Do you know what the proposed diseases are? Please let us know. When I asked my step father about the medical, he asked what would he need to test for, and I said, well I assume HIV and HEP B, perhaps TB but apart from that I am not sure....
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Geoff1111



Joined: 20 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think anyone knows for sure. HIV, Hep B, Hep C, and Syphilus (sp?) appear to be their main concerns. We will have to wait and see.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: Re: NEW VISA LAWS - no interview at the Korean consulate! Reply with quote

Aussiekimchi wrote:
The health check will include a physical, as well as a blood sample.

Evidence of drugs and contageous diseases will be tested.

Physical? So we have to squat? What about those with an injured knee or are overweight?

Blood? We HAVE to give blood to teach here?

Contagious diseases? Like Hepatitis? It's rampant in Korea and spread through sharing meal dishes and other bodily fluid transfers. They give it to us experienced ESLers at their communal meals then kick us out because of it?

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Schools and recruiters will not be held responsible for any costs incurred by failing the tests (including plane tickets, travel costs, accommodation etc). So basically if you fail, you go home on your own coin.

OMFG... some Korean money under the table will see some "pass" the medical and others "fail", depending on the hagwon director's willingness to pay. If they don't like you when you arrive then watch out! And if they really like you they'll grease the wheels.
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