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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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 Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: How many teachers have forged degrees? |
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If you believe the korean headlines it would seem like most foreigers fake their qualifications to get here.
But surely it must be something around 1%, if that. For one thing the requirement to produce unopened transcripts would have done away with a lot of it, if it existed in the first place.
Does anyone know how many cases of fakery they have actually found here among teachers? And if so how they found out? Just seems to me they have really overstated the extent of the problem. |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| In my time here I've met maybe 2 or 3 people who had an E2 visa with a fake degree. I worked with one of them and he was an excellent teacher. |
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GreenlightmeansGO
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| I found out, in a drunken conversation with co-workers, that one of my old co-workers had a fake degree. Everyone knew it, but my boss thought it was okay. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
| 5-10 years ago LOTS of foreigners here had fake degrees. they were easy to get in china or thailand, and there was really no way to check for sure. |
That kind of justifies the measures korea is taking now then, doesn't it, I guess....?
But, aren't transcripts a pretty effective way to verify degrees? because that came in a year or 2 back. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
| just my opinion, nothing to back it up with... 5-10 years ago LOTS of foreigners here had fake degrees. they were easy to get in china or thailand, and there was really no way to check for sure. i think it was common for someone from the west without a BA to get one made, and some who even did have real BAs figured, why not get myself a masters, better jobs for the taking. now, however, if you have a fake degree, in all likelyhood, you can get exposed, I.E. the uni clearinghouse website, more stingent checks, therfore, no one with half a brain would even consider using fake credentials. It is my opinion, that MOST of the fake degrees in korea at the moment are held by Koreans, who got them many years ago, and have since built careers upon them. think about it. most foreigners with fake degrees would have had enough sense to get out while they were ahead and gone back to their home countries to all the money they saved. koreans don't have that option. this is their home, this is where their families are, and there is no way to "take back" what they claimed was true 10 or 20 years ago. they are sitting ducks, waiting to be picked off by modern methods of degree checks. |
Yeah, like the telephone. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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All western "degrees" are phonies as they haven't been used as a legal documents in over 30 years. That means they were never legal to begin with.
Further, if you use the word "degree" when you should use the word "diploma", you're stupid. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Just like if you read the paper in the West you'd think all black people were violent or if you watched FOX news you'd think every Muslim was a terrorist. Don't get me wrong, what most people experience in Korea is much less harsh and damaging. I just mean that Korean media isn't alone.
That doesn't make it right, though. I myself have an Arabic last name (spoiler: "BlackCat" isn't it!) and I've been 'randomly' questioned/searched many times before flights. This was before 9/11 and Timothy Mcveigh and the unibomber were the biggest threats to America. I've had gay friends turned away from working with children for undisclosed reasons.
Ignorance and stupidity is everywhere. At least now there's laws against it in most Western countries. Sorta. |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Tony,
Don't you think that it's a bit harsh to call someone stupid for saying "degree" instead of "diploma"?
It's symantics....just like people who call concrete cement....I'm sure that there are at least 1 or 2 words that you misuse in relation to their actual dictionary definition. |
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crazy tigger
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| I was awarded a degree, it says degree on my certificate, what should I call it? |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:55 am Post subject: |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| Tony_Balony wrote: |
Further, if you use the word "degree" when you should use the word "diploma", you're stupid. |
Some countries use the word degree. Others tend to use the word diploma. What does it matter?
You feel like calling people names over it?
I think we should meet up and find out who is stupid exactly.
Check your PM box. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| air76 wrote: |
Tony,
Don't you think that it's a bit harsh to call someone stupid for saying "degree" instead of "diploma"?
It's symantics....just like people who call concrete cement....I'm sure that there are at least 1 or 2 words that you misuse in relation to their actual dictionary definition. |
Yes, I feel its harsh but I feel I'm factually right. I quadruple dare you to look up the concepts in six different reference materials and then we discuss what you find. Its the basis of fair debate, the debate that is supposed to take us to an enlightened plane. Why do I have to lower standards for something like that?
I'm sorry to nautilus, my harshness is directed at the K immigration services. My opinion on the matter is very good. I'm a recognized legal expert on degree checking. What most people here don't recognize is that diplomas haven't been legal documents in decades. They are alll fraudulent documents.
Do you know the difference between bologna and boloney? There is one. Bologna is pure beef, baloney has non-beef fillers hence the expression "Don't hand me that boloney". |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: |
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I wasn't arguing the fact that the paper document representing your degree is actually and factually called a diploma....all I was saying is that the misuse of the word was irrelevant to the purpose of their post. Just in the post that you wrote there was a grammatical (or possibly a typographical error), but as in the case of the diploma/degree issue it is irrelevant to your ability to express your idea.
All that being said, I must admit that I have the utmost respect for you, seeing that you are one of the Onion's American Voices. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| air76 wrote: |
I wasn't arguing the fact that the paper document representing your degree is actually and factually called a diploma....all I was saying is that the misuse of the word was irrelevant to the purpose of their post. Just in the post that you wrote there was a grammatical (or possibly a typographical error), but as in the case of the diploma/degree issue it is irrelevant to your ability to express your idea.
All that being said, I must admit that I have the utmost respect for you, seeing that you are one of the Onion's American Voices. |
The K's are making a mess of this, a real bonafide mess. Don't encourage them by proliferating the mistake. The reason they are having a problem in this area is that reliance on diplomas is fundamentally flawed. You can't get a good one. None exist, from inception they are all junk. |
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