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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: Average Korean salary is 1.9 for 51.7 hours of work |
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Makes our jobs look pretty good, but I have a feeling they're not including bonuses and other perks given in ways to avoid the tax man:
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Workers made W1.91m a month for 51.7 hours of work per week
Korean employees earned an average of 1.9 million won ($2,050) per month for 51.7 hours of work per week in 2006, the Labor Ministry said yesterday.
Workers averaged 43 years old and received about 13 years of education, according to the 2006 Occupational Employment Statistics released by the Korea Employment Information Institute and the ministry.
The report also found that workers stayed at their workplaces an average of 10.5 years.
It surveyed about 23 million workers nationwide serving in 392 different types of occupations, officials said.
Comparing wage earners to the self-employed, wage earners took home around 1.9 million won per month on average, whereas self-employed people's average income was near 2 million won, the report said. Self-employed workers labored 8 hours longer per week and kept their jobs for about 16 years, it added.
Among various occupations, lawyers were reported to have the highest monthly income of almost 8.5 million won. Next came airplane pilots and financial or insurance managers at nearly 6.9 million won and 6 million won per month incomes, respectively.
Security guards and building maintenance managers worked the longest work weeks, averaging more than 69 hours, report said.
By Cho Ji-hyun
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| And now we know why the greedy lawyers want to limit the number of law school students. |
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sjrm
Joined: 27 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| So, for those 51.7 hours of being at work. How many of them are actually not spent playing Starcraft, sleeping, drinking, or going to room salons, etc.? |
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New Balance
Joined: 15 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| sjrm wrote: |
| So, for those 51.7 hours of being at work. How many of them are actually not spent playing Starcraft, sleeping, drinking, or going to room salons, etc.? |
And after 40 hours of work, how much of it isn't for tossing off, tosser? |
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Chillin' Villain
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: Goo Row
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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I think you've also got to take into account that this includes all types of people and jobs, not just the salaryman that most of us picture when reading an article like this (I did), who usually make more than that. This could include fruit truck salesmen, convenience store clerks, Chinese food delivery guys, PC bang attendants.... all bringing down that average. So yeah, most ESL teachers make more than THOSE guys, but typical businessmen aren't all that hard off for salaries, I think. At least not from the ones that I've talked to in earnest about salary.
(In the article: Lawyers only make an average of 8 mill a month???) |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Chillin' Villain wrote: |
I think you've also got to take into account that this includes all types of people and jobs, not just the salaryman that most of us picture when reading an article like this (I did), who usually make more than that. This could include fruit truck salesmen, convenience store clerks, Chinese food delivery guys, PC bang attendants.... all bringing down that average. So yeah, most ESL teachers make more than THOSE guys, but typical businessmen aren't all that hard off for salaries, I think. At least not from the ones that I've talked to in earnest about salary.
(In the article: Lawyers only make an average of 8 mill a month???) |
No. The article differentiates between the self-employed and those who collect a salary from a company. The 1.9 milllion is the average monthly income of the 'typical' salarymen we think of in suits. Everyone from building security to company lawyers. |
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nomad-ish
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| IlIlNine wrote: |
| Chillin' Villain wrote: |
I think you've also got to take into account that this includes all types of people and jobs, not just the salaryman that most of us picture when reading an article like this (I did), who usually make more than that. This could include fruit truck salesmen, convenience store clerks, Chinese food delivery guys, PC bang attendants.... all bringing down that average. So yeah, most ESL teachers make more than THOSE guys, but typical businessmen aren't all that hard off for salaries, I think. At least not from the ones that I've talked to in earnest about salary.
(In the article: Lawyers only make an average of 8 mill a month???) |
No. The article differentiates between the self-employed and those who collect a salary from a company. The 1.9 milllion is the average monthly income of the 'typical' salarymen we think of in suits. Everyone from building security to company lawyers. |
this article seems to include a variety of workers, it said that workers received an avg of about 13 years of education. am i right to assume this would include elementary through high school? if that's the case, esl teachers make more than the avg worker in korea because we have uni degrees
edit: but 51 hrs a week.... 
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Students graduating from our department (with an amazing 100% placement rate) start at more than that.
It is an average, yes, but I would rather see the mode or even the median. This would help to give a better comparison given the adjustment necessary to work overseas and the fact that demand exceeds supply here for foreign teachers. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Where is RR with his 14 links about what professionals get paid in Korea and why hagwon teachers aren't being paid like doctors?
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| So, for those 51.7 hours of being at work. How many of them are actually not spent playing Starcraft, sleeping, drinking, or going to room salons, etc.? |
Room salons seem to be the playground of business men. Guys making 1.9 million in Korea with a family of 4 are lucky to eat at Hooters.
I have to say the people I know in Korea, aside talking to me on MSN, don't appear to waste a lot of time at their jobs.
GF: Always busy, works 9-7. Works every other saturday.
Genetic Engineer friend: Works 8 - 8, works many saturdays and sundays always seems busy.
PR woman for Asiana: works 8-6, always seems busy.
Web Master for Government Org: works 9-6, always seems busy and stressed.
Editor, women government org: works 9-7 and many times I see her working until 10 pm.
I dunno. If Korean workers are spending a lot of their time just screwing the pooch waiting for the boss to go home so they can too, I don't see it within my circle of friends. Sometimes I think there's a lack of efficiency but then I always saw a lot of inefficiency back in Canada on my various jobs.
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| IN a story from last month (Sorry I can't find the link maybe someone else has it on hand) the OECD (or is OCED????) reported that Koreans are near the top for hours worked in a month (out of all 32 OECD countries) and near the bottom for efficiency. So this should come as no surprise. |
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lucas_p
Joined: 17 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| New Balance wrote: |
| sjrm wrote: |
| So, for those 51.7 hours of being at work. How many of them are actually not spent playing Starcraft, sleeping, drinking, or going to room salons, etc.? |
And after 40 hours of work, how much of it isn't for tossing off, tosser? |
Don't discard that statement, however blunt it is, quite yet. A recent article from the JooAng Daily said that Korea works the most hours of any OCED country, but ranks 23rd in productivity. Most admitted to not doing their job during working hours, and even 23% admitted to "constantly" checking their stocks or personal e-mail. Companies are starting to have designated "pure working hours" for several hours each day. Kinda sad that has to happen in a WORKplace.
As for this article, it might differentiate between business-owners and salarymen, but then again, McDonald's is making a salary too, just as garbage collecting is. I agree with some, I would like to see SPECIFICALLY, how much those businessmen in suits make. All the ones I know, my wife knows, and my Korean friends know make FAR FAR FAR more than 1.9 a month. That seems too much to be just coincidence. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
GF: Always busy, works 9-7. Works every other saturday.
Genetic Engineer friend: Works 8 - 8, works many saturdays and sundays always seems busy.
PR woman for Asiana: works 8-6, always seems busy.
Web Master for Government Org: works 9-6, always seems busy and stressed.
Editor, women government org: works 9-7 and many times I see her working until 10 pm.
I dunno. If Korean workers are spending a lot of their time just screwing the pooch waiting for the boss to go home so they can too, I don't see it within my circle of friends. Sometimes I think there's a lack of efficiency but then I always saw a lot of inefficiency back in Canada on my various jobs. |
This reminds me of the teachers at my school who always complain about being so busy... while sitting in their lounge drinking coffee or napping. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Human nature and the politics of the workplace. Doesn't take long to figure out that if you say you aren't busy, they'll find something else for you to do. Are you busy? OH, YEAH! |
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Chillin' Villain
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: Goo Row
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| IlIlNine wrote: |
| No. The article differentiates between the self-employed and those who collect a salary from a company. The 1.9 milllion is the average monthly income of the 'typical' salarymen we think of in suits. Everyone from building security to company lawyers. |
Yeah, I got that part. It also says, however, that it surveyed 392 different jobs. Plus, BuytheWay, Family Mart, and Pizza Cat are still companies, right? Factor in factory workers (locals) and the fact that the average education was 13 years (lots of non-college/uni grads in there), and I'm reckoning that they included a lot of blue collar-type or near-minimum wage jobs in that survey. I know a lot of salarymen aren't making a killing, but they're mostly doing better than 2 mill a month- at least when they get to their 30's. |
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lucas_p
Joined: 17 Sep 2007
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
| ...reminds me of the teachers at my school who always complain about being so busy... while sitting in their lounge drinking coffee or napping. |
Right you are.
Slacking on the job is definitely not limited to one country. It does happen everywhere, and I don't understand it. I've seen a lot of it among the FTs here in Korea, too. So, I usually don't hang around those people.. |
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