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[suwon_swinger]

my public school also owns an academy on their premises... its basically a hogwon from what I can gather

anyway the deal is that they need someone next year, and they have offered it to me... the dude who already works full time- oh yeah to keep my current job AND work this second job...

It would be 4 hrs a day 2pm-6pm

They also said that pay would be negogiated...
ok so heres my questions

if this job was previously given to one foreign teacher shouldnt I recieve her full pay if I am doing her full job?

how much should I be paid for an extra 20 teaching hrs a week?

is this even legal?

my school has said that we would need to sign a second contract for it...

for those of you who work in hogwons -do you do all your own planning?

Peace

[xCustomx]

sounds like a pretty sweet gig, especially since you can leave by 6. i'd try to get at least 2.0 for the extra work, without any additional benefits such as recruiters fee or airplane ticket

when i was at a hagwon i would just follow a reading book, vocabulary, grammar, writing, story book, or whatever else I could think up. I never had to do any lesson planning, but I did have to make tests, grade them, and write long report cards every month.

[thegadfly]

Unless you are hard up for the cash, I personally wouldn't touch it for less than 65,000 an hour -- but then, I would not WANT to work 20 hours OT in addition to my full time job. That amount would most likely have them say "no thanks, we'll hire someone full time." Then again, they might not bat an eye -- happened to me once, kind of ticked me off since I really did not WANT the OT, but they met my price Now when I really don't want it, my price is 100,000

If you do it full time for the year, they will not need another apartment, nor will they need another round-trip ticket...that has got to work out to nearly a million a month in savings for the school there, and I would that it should go to YOU. Anything less than 40,000 an hour would be shorting you, in my opinion...then again, if folks WANT OT, having a job on the premises, without the hassle of travel from one location to another is a decent deal....

[jjk]

With all of the confusion over the new visa regs added to their savings of no airfare,recruting fee or apartment for the second teacher, you should be getting at least what the old teacher got- if it is at market rates for your location.

However, being Korea, they will probably offer you your overtime rate, and be surprised if you don't take it.

I would want at least 2-2.2 a month (the travel savings are nice!). Also, make sure that the vacation period of the hagwon don't conflict with your public school holidays too much.

[suwon_swinger]

thing is I normally am in school til 4.30 so its really only another hr and a half.... though I would have to work those hrs from 2, when I usually just spend it surfing the web...
but that much money extra is tempting....

is it really legit to ask for 2mill... i mean yeah that would be the chicks salary whose in there now, but u really think they'd still bite?
if that was the case then id take it for sure.

i just dont know if Id have the balls to turn it down if it was 20 000/hr (my normal over time) cause Id still be making 1.6 mill extra a month...
is it really realistic to ask for 40 000/ hr... wouldnt that be asking for more than they'd paid for another person?
40 000/hr works out at 3.2 million (EXTRA) they'd be crazy to take that?

[jellobean]

I would suggest that you work up what the previous foreign teacher cost them per month on paper. Don't forget housing, insurance, pension, recruiter costs. Present that to them along with your offer. Make sure that your offer leaves them a decent margin of saving while still giving you the bulk of the pay. The going rate right now for hourly after-school programs is about 28,000. 20 hours of overtime is tough so it needs to be worth your while, but then again a lot of kindy teachers work 9-6.

[suwon_swinger]

you guys are stellar by the way, thanks for all the info

[suwon_swinger]

how could I work that all out (the cost of the previous teacher) without actually speaking to her (im not fully sure how much she has been informed of- im hoping they are not keeping her in the dark but this IS korea.... so I dont want to be the A**hole that goes up to her and says oh yeah btw how much are u paid so I know for when I take over ur job) its all still in the planning stage at the mo.

[jellobean]

Well if she is leaving by choice, you can probably ask her. Most foreigners are pretty cool about that kind of stuff if you are attempting not to get scammed by the management. Just tell her they want you to work overtime and you want to figure out what a fair hourly rate is. If she isn't choosing to leave, you might not want to do that.

[sojourner1]

A hagwon at a public school! What the? I have never heard of this except that some universities have a unigwon on or near the campus.

A government operated public school has a hagwon?

Maybe this is a prelude to what is to come where English education will move to public school campuses only instead of having all these stand alone private hagwons.

I would say that if you are interested, then communicate to learn as much as you can about it and negotiate the details of the job. Pretty sure none of us know anything as this situation has never been mentioned before.

[Julius]

[MarionG]

make sure that if you do this, you have this second job put on the back of your ARC by immigration, or you will be working "illegally." Doesn't matter that it's a public school's hogwon...it's a second job.

[thegadfly]

Well, sounds like you WANT the money, and that they are offering you an amount you find reasonable, during a time when it is convenient, so then, yeah, you should definitely take it...so why were you uncertain in the first place?

I stated initially that I wouldn't want the OT, but then, I finished paying off my debt a while back -- when I was more "lean and hungry" I prolly would have snapped it up myself. Changing priorities....

[huffdaddy]

[yingwenlaoshi]