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Anti-Foreigner Teaching at the hagwon- funny

 
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PGF



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:12 am    Post subject: Anti-Foreigner Teaching at the hagwon- funny Reply with quote

My hagwon owner taught our elementary school and middle school kids that most foreign teachers here are unqualified to teach English.

I had to explain to them (the kids) that my degree is in English and that I've taught English at a university level.

I added that MOST public school Korean English teachers can not speak English and that that is why we (FTs) are here. I then asked them to ask the Korean teachers here at the crapwon what their degrees are in. One has a degree in hotel management.

I think he did it because he can not find a replacement.


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RACETRAITOR



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Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my university the English faculty was more about English literature than English language. I took a fourth-year honours course with several English majors who still didn't know how to use the apostrophe. There are other programs that would certainly be more useful than English for training teachers.

I'm not disagreeing with you all the way though. Korean kids could learn a lot more English from teachers like you rather than Korean teachers who don't know any English. However, the goal for studying English is not to become fluent, but to get high TOEIC or TOEFL or whatever scores, and those Korean teachers are most likely better prepared to train kids in that than you, sadly.
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Rock



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is just the duplicity of being a so-called 'English teacher' here. Don't let it affect you, though it sounds like you have the credentials. The teacher who'd said this is probably right, though. Most of us aren't qualified, in a literal sense, but certainly over-qualified to teach the rudiments of conversational English that these hagwons expect from us. Tell him to allow you to really teach, and see what he thinks. This is one thing that upset me about teaching at hagwons. You couldn't teach seriously enough.

But I even refrain from calling myself a teacher anymore, and refuse the highschoolers calling me Teacher Rock. It allows for the native teachers to take responsibility, not me. With responsibility comes accountability, and a lot of psychological factors come into play when a foreigner is usurping authority in another's native country.

Some schools even downplay this fact over here in Taiwan. HESS Language School calls you a NST(Native Speaker Teacher, or something like this,) not an official teacher, of sorts. You'll find this dilemna a lot over here. It's as if the fact your speaking English doesn't really have any bearing, which is inherently the reason for us being here, something they find to be of little consequence to their self-dignity. You're still not a teacher or up to their level.

I disagree, though, that TOEIC and TOEFL tests are the only reason we're needed, or why they have foreigners teaching English. It's basically to get them to speak English. Just try teaching a little grammar at your school and hear them say We've already been taught this.


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nateium



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:56 am    Post subject: Re: Racist Teaching at the hagwon Reply with quote

PGF wrote:
My hagwon owner taught our elementary school and middle school kids that most foreign teachers here are unqualified to teach English.

The truth

PGF wrote:

I added that MOST public school Korean English teachers can not speak English and that that is why we (FTs) are here. I then asked them to ask the Korean teachers here at the crapwon what their degrees are in. One has a degree in hotel management.

The whole truth

PGF wrote:
I think he did it because he can not find a replacement.

Nothing but the truth
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makemischief



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
However, the goal for studying English is not to become fluent, but to get high TOEIC or TOEFL or whatever scores, and those Korean teachers are most likely better prepared to train kids in that than you, sadly.


Totally true...but that said- the new IBT greatly increases the need for native speakers OR highly qualified Korean teachers as the cram method no longer is enough to carry people through (assuming that the cram method is/was what many less-proficient Korean teachers were banking on).
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genezorm



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wasn't aware "foreign teachers" as a group are now a race
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Rapacious Mr. Batstove



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

genezorm wrote:
i wasn't aware "foreign teachers" as a group are now a race


For the first time ever, you're spot on with that call.
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PGF



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:


I'm not disagreeing with you all the way though. Korean kids could learn a lot more English from teachers like you rather than Korean teachers who don't know any English. However, the goal for studying English is not to become fluent, but to get high TOEIC or TOEFL or whatever scores, and those Korean teachers are most likely better prepared to train kids in that than you, sadly.


I have yet to meet a Korean teacher that can teach a TOEFL speaking class or writing class. I'm sure they are out there, but I haven't met one.

Sorry I'm rushing my posts in between classes. Yeah yeah not a race....

After my last class, I asked the owner why he handed out a newspaper article to elementary and middle school kids that basically says MOST FTs are alcoholics, unqualified and unmotivated.

His reply was that, "oh, those teachers are in Daegu".

Just trying to avoid a discussion on the subject, I imagine. I did ask him what Sun Hee's (one of our teachers) degree is in. He said he wasn't sure. I reminded him that she has a two year degree in hotel management from an Australia diploma mill. He then said that he thought the article was racist too.

Funny day at the academy. gotta go teach task 4 to some middle schoolers.......have a good one
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PGF wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:


I'm not disagreeing with you all the way though. Korean kids could learn a lot more English from teachers like you rather than Korean teachers who don't know any English. However, the goal for studying English is not to become fluent, but to get high TOEIC or TOEFL or whatever scores, and those Korean teachers are most likely better prepared to train kids in that than you, sadly.


I have yet to meet a Korean teacher that can teach a TOEFL speaking class or writing class. I'm sure they are out there, but I haven't met one.

Sorry I'm rushing my posts in between classes. Yeah yeah not a race....

After my last class, I asked the owner why he handed out a newspaper article to elementary and middle school kids that basically says MOST FTs are alcoholics, unqualified and unmotivated.

His reply was that, "oh, those teachers are in Daegu".

Just trying to avoid a discussion on the subject, I imagine. I did ask him what Sun Hee's (one of our teachers) degree is in. He said he wasn't sure. I reminded him that she has a two year degree in hotel management from an Australia diploma mill. He then said that he thought the article was racist too.

Funny day at the academy. gotta go teach task 4 to some middle schoolers.......have a good one


TOEFL and TOEIC are just the same as any other standardised test. All they really need to do is have the class practice the right test patterns in preparation and memorise words from a vocabulary list.
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makemischief



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:

TOEFL and TOEIC are just the same as any other standardised test. All they really need to do is have the class practice the right test patterns in preparation and memorise words from a vocabulary list.


I agree with you 99% of the time on this board....but do you really think this applies to the IBT?
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