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				|  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:12 pm    Post subject: A christians view on the new immigration policy |   |  
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				| Level Headed Thinking 
 By David Thiessen
 
 I wrote an article in the Oct. 23 edition of The Korea Times using the example of the teacher who is a suspected pedophile. Too many readers focused on the word ``pedophile" and missed the point of the article.
 
 That point was, we do not need paranoid type thinking running this industry. It ruins the environment of the classroom, it hinders recruiting good teachers and it teaches the wrong lessons to our students.
 
 We cannot let fear dictate the policy of the classroom, for then we teach our children all the wrong things and they, when they get old enough, will not be prepared to face life and will not be able to pass on their knowledge to the next generation, they won't have learned the right lessons.
 
 Too often those who have not learned the right lessons in life are the most vocal and do not possess the minutest amount of intelligence to handle an issue such as teaching in the classroom. They do not have a clue as to what they need to teach beyond the textbook.
 
 There are many lessons which are not covered by the printed curriculum and they are taught by example and can be taught only by those who possess such knowledge.
 
 These lessons are on how to be just, merciful, fair, how to forgive, put others ahead of themselves, to be wise and so on. These lessons are lost as the numbers who know them dwindle with each passing generation.
 
 It used to be that all one needed to do business was a handshake, because that act was known to be a commitment of one's word and sometimes that all a person has is their word and reputation, breaking that handshake meant ruining one's reputation.
 
 Nowadays it doesn't matter as the character of people is quickly sinking to a point where integrity, honesty and reputation are part of the lives of only a few. Kind of sad really.
 
 No one wants to put the work into making an industry excel but instead opts for the easy, blanket answers which do nothing to solve any problem except to make one feel better.
 
 It is not difficult to learn to ask the right questions, to analyze a person by the answers given, the body language shown and other aspects of reading an applicant. Honest questions elicit honest answers and when they don't, there are ways to tell and the employer can make the decision to pass on the potential employee without damage to his other workers or customers.
 
 It was the honest way to do business and such honesty is long gone now from both sides of the fence. Now we assume a person is guilty before proof is provided confirming that fact. Trust is now gone ― yet in the classroom, we need trust now more than ever, if we want our children to learn properly.
 
 As a Christian I think differently than most other teachers here in this country. I believe in honesty, character, integrity, mercy and justice for all and not a few.
 
 The old ways I described above bring out those qualities as they treat all the same and allows the applicant to show what he or she is made of before being pigeon-holed into a category they will never be able to escape.
 
 By implementing the wrong requirements, like a criminal records check, we open the door to bias, discrimination, condemnation, hatred, and other sins we need to avoid. It also allows for elitism and superiority complex attitudes to rule and produce false standards, a class system and the wrong lessons for the students to learn.
 
 I am not and never did advocate sending a pedophile into a classroom; but I cannot dismiss God's and Christ's healing and redemptive powers either and know we must use our intelligence wisely, cleaning up our own lives first before condemning anyone else.
 
 I am advocating doing what is right so that the innocent do not get hurt, or have their lives ruined while allowing those who made mistakes in their past a chance to make good on their promises to turn their lives around.
 
 It is about teaching not only teachers but also students on what is right and what is wrong and implementing that teaching.
 
 The easy way is rarely the right way and the majority isn't always right. We do not need to import Western ideas when they tend to destroy instead of build up generations of people. We do need to think first, find what is right and do that no matter how loudly Westerners complain.
 
 This isn't back home and what is right should take precedence over what is popular if for the only reason that our students need to learn the right lessons.
 
 The writer an English teacher in Icheon, Gyeonggi Province. He can be reached at [email protected].
 
 http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/opi_view.asp?newsIdx=14540&categoryCode=162
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		| Chicoloco 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | I think differently than most other teachers here in this country |  
 You sure do, you self righteous, self important, self abusing little man.
 
 Why does that rag continue to publish drivel like this? Seriously, I have spewed better content out of my ass.
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		| Don Gately 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:38 pm    Post subject: Re: A christians view on the new immigration policy |   |  
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	  | As a Christian I think differently than most other teachers here in this country. I believe in honesty, character, integrity, mercy and justice for all and not a few. |  
 
   
 Yer a jackass.
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		| JamesFord 
 
  
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		| aaabank 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: A christians view on the new immigration policy |   |  
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	  | garykasparov wrote: |  
	  | Level Headed Thinking 
 By David Thiessen
 
 As a Christian I think differently than most other teachers here in this country. I believe in honesty, character, integrity, mercy and justice for all and not a few.
 
 By implementing the wrong requirements, like a criminal records check, we open the door to bias, discrimination, condemnation, hatred, and other sins we need to avoid. It also allows for elitism and superiority complex attitudes to rule and produce false standards, a class system and the wrong lessons for the students to learn.
 
 The writer an English teacher in Icheon, Gyeonggi Province. He can be reached at [email protected].
 
 http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/opi_view.asp?newsIdx=14540&categoryCode=162
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 From this article I see that the writer mentions that he believes in "honesty, character, integrity, mercy and justice for all", but then says that criminal background checks are a "wrong requirement". How else can an employer in South Korea know of a person's "honesty, character, integrity, mercy and justice for all" without some sort of system (i.e. criminal background check) to make reference from?
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		| curlygirl 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:12 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Too often those who have not learned the right lessons in life are the most vocal and do not possess the minutest amount of intelligence to handle an issue such as teaching in the classroom. |  
 And the writer of that article is an outstanding example of this!
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		| komerican 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: A christians view on the new immigration policy |   |  
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	  | garykasparov wrote: |  
	  | Level Headed Thinking 
 By David Thiessen
 
 I wrote an article in the Oct. 23 edition of The Korea Times using the example of the teacher who is a suspected pedophile. Too many readers focused on the word ``pedophile" and missed the point of the article.
 
 That point was, we do not need paranoid type thinking running this industry. It ruins the environment of the classroom, it hinders recruiting good teachers and it teaches the wrong lessons to our students.
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 paranoia is sometimes a good thing; a natural emotion/reaction that leads to survival.  An absolute non-tolerance policy toward pedophiles seems reasonable.
 
 
 
 
 
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	  | We cannot let fear dictate the policy of the classroom, for then we teach our children all the wrong things and they, when they get old enough, will not be prepared to face life and will not be able to pass on their knowledge to the next generation, they won't have learned the right lessons. |  
 what's the causual connection between fear and "not be prepared to face life...not be able to pass on their knowledge"?  I don't see this connection.
 
 
 
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	  | Too often those who have not learned the right lessons in life are the most vocal and do not possess the minutest amount of intelligence to handle an issue such as teaching in the classroom. They do not have a clue as to what they need to teach beyond the textbook.
 
 There are many lessons which are not covered by the printed curriculum and they are taught by example and can be taught only by those who possess such knowledge.
 
 These lessons are on how to be just, merciful, fair, how to forgive, put others ahead of themselves, to be wise and so on. These lessons are lost as the numbers who know them dwindle with each passing generation.
 
 It used to be that all one needed to do business was a handshake, because that act was known to be a commitment of one's word and sometimes that all a person has is their word and reputation, breaking that handshake meant ruining one's reputation.
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 we don't all live in rural settings where everyone knew everyone.  We live in urban jungles where you need something stronger than a handshake.  how is a handshake possible on the internet?
 
 
 
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 Nowadays it doesn't matter as the character of people is quickly sinking to a point where integrity, honesty and reputation are part of the lives of only a few. Kind of sad really.
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 elitist, dare I say ethnocentric attitude?
 
 
 
 
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	  | No one wants to put the work into making an industry excel but instead opts for the easy, blanket answers which do nothing to solve any problem except to make one feel better. |  
 simplistic criticism that says nothing
 
 
 
 
 
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	  | It is not difficult to learn to ask the right questions, to analyze a person by the answers given, the body language shown and other aspects of reading an applicant. Honest questions elicit honest answers and when they don't, there are ways to tell and the employer can make the decision to pass on the potential employee without damage to his other workers or customers. |  
 absurd.  Sure the vast vast majority of english teachers are reasonable people.  But there are very sneaky people in the world who can sail through interviews.  Checking for criminal records  is just routine stuff that all immigration agencies perform.
 
 The US will soon fingerprint all visiters.  Japan is already doing this.  Koreans have had to go through these hoop just to get a tourist visa to the States and this before 9/11.  Koreans stand for a long time outside the US embassy waiting for tourist visa, but before they can even stand there they have to get a criminal record check and get x-rayed.  This is all routine immigration stuff.  I really don't understand what the writer is so upset about.
 
 
 
 
 
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	  | It was the honest way to do business and such honesty is long gone now from both sides of the fence. Now we assume a person is guilty before proof is provided confirming that fact. Trust is now gone ― yet in the classroom, we need trust now more than ever, if we want our children to learn properly.
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 the writer is equating being careful with judging someone guilty of a criminal act.  This essay is getting absurd.  These new laws will actually make the classroom more secure and the teachers more trustworthy.
 
 
 
 
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	  | As a Christian I think differently than most other teachers here in this country. I believe in honesty, character, integrity, mercy and justice for all and not a few.
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 Apparently this essay can get more aburd.  What does being a christian have to do with justice and mercy?
 
 
 
 
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	  | The old ways I described above bring out those qualities as they treat all the same and allows the applicant to show what he or she is made of before being pigeon-holed into a category they will never be able to escape. 
 By implementing the wrong requirements, like a criminal records check, we open the door to bias, discrimination, condemnation, hatred, and other sins we need to avoid. It also allows for elitism and superiority complex attitudes to rule and produce false standards, a class system and the wrong lessons for the students to learn.
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 no, putting yourself above the law is elitism and superiority complex.  Why should english teachers be put above the law?  Does getting an English teaching certificate make you purer than priests?  Sorry, but this letter is so aburd.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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	  | I am not and never did advocate sending a pedophile into a classroom;
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 gee,that's good to know.  is this even open to debate??
 
 
 
 
 
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	  | but I cannot dismiss God's and Christ's healing and redemptive powers either and know we must use our intelligence wisely, cleaning up our own lives first before condemning anyone else. |  
 huh?  so we can't condemn pedophiles until we're perfect?  What kind of irrational and illogical horse dung is this?
 
 
 
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 I am advocating doing what is right so that the innocent do not get hurt, or have their lives ruined while allowing those who made mistakes in their past a chance to make good on their promises to turn their lives around.
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 how would the lives of the innocent be "ruined"?
 yes, let the ones who made mistakes in the past have a chance to reform but why give that chance here in korea?  Let them reform themselves in their home countries. Likewise, a korean criminal/pedophile should reform himself/herself in korea.
 
 I agree that people make mistakes that they truly regret and people can reform themselves but they should do it before going to another country.
 
 
 
 
 
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	  | It is about teaching not only teachers but also students on what is right and what is wrong and implementing that teaching. |  
 Students are entitled to be taught by teachers without criminal records.
 
 
 
 
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	  | The easy way is rarely the right way and the majority isn't always right. |  
 these easy bromides are irrelevent to the issue at hand.
 
 
 
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	  | We do not need to import Western ideas when they tend to destroy instead of build up generations of people. We do need to think first, find what is right and do that no matter how loudly Westerners complain.
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 respect. lol.
 
 
 
 
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	  | This isn't back home and what is right should take precedence over what is popular if for the only reason that our students need to learn the right lessons. |  
 circular reasoning based an irrelevent cliche'.  the west is doomed.
 
 
 
 
 
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	  | The writer an English teacher in Icheon, Gyeonggi Province. He can be reached at [email protected]. |  
 korea is doomed.
 
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		| Typhoon 
 
 
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				| I think Koamerican's take on this article is pretty accurate.  This article seems like a bunch of bunk. |  |  
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		| Wangja 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:49 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| You can read more of this fellow at Koreabridge ... some of his more pithy sayings are in my sig .... |  |  
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		| Wangja 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: A christians view on the new immigration policy |   |  
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	  | garykasparov wrote: |  
	  | Level Headed Thinking 
 By David Thiessen
 
 I wrote an article in the Oct. 23 edition of The Korea Times using the example of the teacher who is a suspected pedophile. Too many readers focused on the word ``pedophile" and missed the point of the article.
 
 That point was, we do not need paranoid type thinking running this industry. It ruins the environment of the classroom, it hinders recruiting good teachers and it teaches the wrong lessons to our students.
 
 We cannot let fear dictate the policy of the classroom, for then we teach our children all the wrong things and they, when they get old enough, will not be prepared to face life and will not be able to pass on their knowledge to the next generation, they won't have learned the right lessons.
 
 Too often those who have not learned the right lessons in life are the most vocal and do not possess the minutest amount of intelligence to handle an issue such as teaching in the classroom. They do not have a clue as to what they need to teach beyond the textbook.
 
 There are many lessons which are not covered by the printed curriculum and they are taught by example and can be taught only by those who possess such knowledge.
 
 These lessons are on how to be just, merciful, fair, how to forgive, put others ahead of themselves, to be wise and so on. These lessons are lost as the numbers who know them dwindle with each passing generation.
 
 It used to be that all one needed to do business was a handshake, because that act was known to be a commitment of one's word and sometimes that all a person has is their word and reputation, breaking that handshake meant ruining one's reputation.
 
 Nowadays it doesn't matter as the character of people is quickly sinking to a point where integrity, honesty and reputation are part of the lives of only a few. Kind of sad really.
 
 No one wants to put the work into making an industry excel but instead opts for the easy, blanket answers which do nothing to solve any problem except to make one feel better.
 
 It is not difficult to learn to ask the right questions, to analyze a person by the answers given, the body language shown and other aspects of reading an applicant. Honest questions elicit honest answers and when they don't, there are ways to tell and the employer can make the decision to pass on the potential employee without damage to his other workers or customers.
 
 It was the honest way to do business and such honesty is long gone now from both sides of the fence. Now we assume a person is guilty before proof is provided confirming that fact. Trust is now gone ― yet in the classroom, we need trust now more than ever, if we want our children to learn properly.
 
 As a Christian I think differently than most other teachers here in this country. I believe in honesty, character, integrity, mercy and justice for all and not a few.
 
 The old ways I described above bring out those qualities as they treat all the same and allows the applicant to show what he or she is made of before being pigeon-holed into a category they will never be able to escape.
 
 By implementing the wrong requirements, like a criminal records check, we open the door to bias, discrimination, condemnation, hatred, and other sins we need to avoid. It also allows for elitism and superiority complex attitudes to rule and produce false standards, a class system and the wrong lessons for the students to learn.
 
 I am not and never did advocate sending a pedophile into a classroom; but I cannot dismiss God's and Christ's healing and redemptive powers either and know we must use our intelligence wisely, cleaning up our own lives first before condemning anyone else.
 
 I am advocating doing what is right so that the innocent do not get hurt, or have their lives ruined while allowing those who made mistakes in their past a chance to make good on their promises to turn their lives around.
 
 It is about teaching not only teachers but also students on what is right and what is wrong and implementing that teaching.
 
 The easy way is rarely the right way and the majority isn't always right. We do not need to import Western ideas when they tend to destroy instead of build up generations of people. We do need to think first, find what is right and do that no matter how loudly Westerners complain.
 
 This isn't back home and what is right should take precedence over what is popular if for the only reason that our students need to learn the right lessons.
 
 The writer an English teacher in Icheon, Gyeonggi Province. He can be reached at [email protected].
 
 http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/opi_view.asp?newsIdx=14540&categoryCode=162
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 All that comes from a fellow who claims not to be objective.
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		| lastat06513 
 
 
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		| venus 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Typhoon wrote: |  
	  | I think Koamerican's take on this article is pretty accurate.  This article seems like a bunch of bunk. |  
 Yeah, probably a bored guy in the sticks with no girlfriend and little else to do...??
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		| Wangja 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:36 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | I believe he is right.  Someone does have to stand up for these values.  Very hypocritical how people who are so into their rights of free speech where "anything goes" are the first to bash Christians, with whose views they do not agree.  Think about it. |  
 What and whose values do you believe he is defending?
 
 If you are a Christian, you have no less right to free speech than a non-Christian. However, having taken for yourself a higher moral position you are more likely to be challenged when you exercise that right.
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		| Ginormousaurus 
 
  
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	  | andrew wrote: |  
	  | I believe he is right.  Someone does have to stand up for these values.  Very hypocritical how people who are so into their rights of free speech where "anything goes" are the first to bash Christians, with whose views they do not agree.  Think about it. |  
 No one said he isn't entitled to hold these views.  Think about it.
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