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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: Who is on the terrorist watch list? |
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No abuse here.
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I (Naomi Wolf) was on the watch list for a year and a half, Amy, which means that every time I got on a plane, I got taken aside for extra searching, quadruple-S high-risk Naomi, you know. And I was told, �You�re on a list.� And I found out that many critics of the administration are on the list: ACLU staffers, Ted Kennedy, antiwar activists, David Altoon [phon.], a highly decorated Vietnam War veteran who was critical of the Iraq war. Not only is he on the list, but people who come to me in tears after my readings are more upset that now their kids are on the list if they write a letter critical of the Bush administration.
AMY GOODMAN: Have you been able to get off the list?
NAOMI WOLF: Well, I was off the list �til this book came out, and now I�m back on the list. Why is this more than a sort of irritation? Or, you know, in a strong society, it�s just like whatever, you know, it�s a kind of compliment. But in a closing society, it gets very frightening. In February, the management of the list, which has swollen from 45,000 to 775,000 Americans�they�re adding 20,000 names a month, right? Where are they getting those names? Remember when I said, how do they round up people so quickly in a closing society? The management of the lists is going to go from the airlines to the government. And in February, unless we push back this regulation�it�s being slipped in very quietly�we are going to have to apply to the state to get an airline ticket to cross a border, which moves us from 1931 to about 1936. |
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/11/28/the_end_of_america_feminist_social
Amy Goodman from Democracy Now is also on the "terrorism watch list". This does beg the question: Are anti-war activists and critics of the Bush government potential terrorists? No? They why are they on the list? How does this fit into a wider pattern? |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Who is on the terrorist watch list? |
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No abuse here.
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I (Naomi Wolf) was on the watch list for a year and a half, Amy, which means that every time I got on a plane, I got taken aside for extra searching, quadruple-S high-risk Naomi, you know. And I was told, �You�re on a list.� And I found out that many critics of the administration are on the list: ACLU staffers, Ted Kennedy, antiwar activists, David Altoon [phon.], a highly decorated Vietnam War veteran who was critical of the Iraq war. Not only is he on the list, but people who come to me in tears after my readings are more upset that now their kids are on the list if they write a letter critical of the Bush administration.
AMY GOODMAN: Have you been able to get off the list?
NAOMI WOLF: Well, I was off the list �til this book came out, and now I�m back on the list. Why is this more than a sort of irritation? Or, you know, in a strong society, it�s just like whatever, you know, it�s a kind of compliment. But in a closing society, it gets very frightening. In February, the management of the list, which has swollen from 45,000 to 775,000 Americans�they�re adding 20,000 names a month, right? Where are they getting those names? Remember when I said, how do they round up people so quickly in a closing society? The management of the lists is going to go from the airlines to the government. And in February, unless we push back this regulation�it�s being slipped in very quietly�we are going to have to apply to the state to get an airline ticket to cross a border, which moves us from 1931 to about 1936. |
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/11/28/the_end_of_america_feminist_social
Amy Goodman from Democracy Now is also on the "terrorism watch list". This does beg the question: Are anti-war activists and critics of the Bush government potential terrorists? No? They why are they on the list? How does this fit into a wider pattern? |
have you seen this new bill?
The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007, S. 1959.
This past week saw AirAmerica radio host Randi Rhodes address H.R. 1955 twice on her popular daytime show. Once on Tuesday and again on Friday. The Friday segment features an interview with former CIA officer, Phlip Giraldi. Giraldi has been very critical of the Neocons, astute in his observations about Sibel Edmonds, and on Monday published a blog at Huffingtonpost.com that cuts to the chase regarding the Bill. The Bill seeks to lay the foundation to criminalize thought;
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"Language inserted in the act does partially define "homegrown terrorism" as "planning" or "threatening" to use force to promote a political objective, meaning that just thinking about doing something could be enough to merit the terrorist label. The act also describes "violent radicalization" as the promotion of an "extremist belief system" without attempting to define "extremist."
Giraldi is not alone in his interpretation of the Bill. He is joined by Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich, who actually READ the bill, and voted against it, along with a mix of 5 other Democrats and Republicans. In this video, Kucinich explains his vote (relevant segment begins at the 7:00 minute mark); |
also this...
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| AE911Truth.org is extremely concerned about the recent portrayal of our peaceful organization and website by the Simon Wiesenthal Center alongside Taliban militant websites at the recent "Homeland Security Hearing" hosted by Congresswoman Jane Harman. By implication we and other 9/11 Truth organizations are branded as terrorists. We are therefore actively pursuing non-legal and legal remedies. |
ae911truth.org
my name appears on the site in support of a new investigation....i wonder if i am on the list. |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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| Anyone doing excessive uncommon international travel will be subject to scrutiny. Keep in mind that most people never get on a plane and very few ever leave America and you going many places and being gone so long makes you an uncommon traveler who will be scrutinized at every check point. I already made the list. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| sojourner1 wrote: |
| Anyone doing excessive uncommon international travel will be subject to scrutiny. Keep in mind that most people never get on a plane and very few ever leave America and you going many places and being gone so long makes you an uncommon traveler who will be scrutinized at every check point. I already made the list. |
Ted Kennedy? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Ted Kenedy was on the list by mistake . He is no longer on the list.
why was he on the list. It wasn't any conspiracy. A suspected terrorist was making use of Kennedys name so the name got flagged.
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on five occasions because his name resembled an alias used by a suspected terrorist who had been barred from flying on airlines in the United States, his aides and government officials said.
Instead of acknowledging the craggy-faced, silver-haired septuagenarian as the Congressional leader whose face has flashed across the nation's television sets for decades, the airline agents acted as if they had stumbled across a fanatic who might blow up an American airplane. Mr. Kennedy said they refused to give him his ticket. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/national/20flight.html?ex=1250654400&en=f0c8707234bed6fb&ei=5090 |
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