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Mr. BlackCat



Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: SMOE vacation time Reply with quote

Hello,

I'm in the process of applying for a job through SMOE starting in March. I'm already in Seoul and should have the interview soon. I have a question regarding the vacation time.

I just found out that my sister will be getting married in the summer of next year. There is really no question that I will go to this wedding. She's willing to wait a little while for me to find out when I can be in Canada to set the exact date. It'll be a small family affair and it would be pretty bad if I wasn't there, especially if I have the chance to be.

How far in advance can you set your vacation for SMOE? I suppose I won't even know my exact school for a little while, so it'll be difficult. But I would need to know before I'd start in March. I realize it's my interview and I can ask anything in there, but what are my chances if I politely tell them that I need to set my vacation asap?

I looked into flying home this past summer and even though I started my search in early April everything was already booked solid for July/August.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't answer your question, but I'd make the dates of summer holiday a condition of signing the contract (and get it in writing).

I can tell you that because my old school district left everyting to the last minute, it cost them a small fortune to send me home and back in August when I 'renewed' a couple of years ago. In fact, my regular Korean travel agent couldn't even get tickets for under CAD $7000 Shocked I wonder what would have happened if I had bought those tickets and then submitted for reimbursement? As it was, I just told them I couldn't get tickets and somehow they managed to get me flights.

Book your flights ASAP.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you must get the agreement IN WRITING unless you want to travel back to the USA after the 1st week of August when regular summer vacation time is.

Don't let the SMOE head office tell you "it won't be a problem." It will be a problem unless it's in writing. You will deal with your school about vacation and they will give you a hard time about missing class.

Flights may be reserved for July and August to the USA, but last summer, tickets through Korean air for the dates around August 10-15 could be found in early and mid July.
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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can't answer your question, but I'd make the dates of summer holiday a condition of signing the contract (and get it in writing).


Agreed. I think if they're aware of it and it'll only be a week or so, that's not unreasonable and should be OKed by the school.

Slightly different circumstances for me when I re-sign in June is that I want christmas week off next year. I don't think there'll be any problem with this. I've heard people get these in writing before the contract is signed.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dome Vans wrote:
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I can't answer your question, but I'd make the dates of summer holiday a condition of signing the contract (and get it in writing).


Agreed. I think if they're aware of it and it'll only be a week or so, that's not unreasonable and should be OKed by the school.

Slightly different circumstances for me when I re-sign in June is that I want christmas week off next year. I don't think there'll be any problem with this. I've heard people get these in writing before the contract is signed.


They'll do it if they want you. Many returning SMOE teachers requested odd dates off for special events during the middle of the semester. They got the days off. Now that I think about it, they negotiated with their school and got it in writing. The SMOE office wasn't very pleased about it, but there was nothing they could do after the fact. As a new teacher, you don't know your school yet and will have to go directly through SMOE.
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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually should mention that I'm an EPIK teacher. But from my friends and what I've heard, the pre-agreement is the norm for EPIK and SMOE. If it's not stupidly placed or for a ridiculously long time or a crap reason then it shouldn't be a problem.

I'm actually going home on the 22nd this month for christmas, talked with my co-teacher and we checked with the VP and principal and he said "i permit you, as you've been an excellent, diligent teacher this term" was his reply. Don't need to bother checking with the Office of Education, or EPIK because it's the school that loses out that week. I may lose a weeks pay, I doubt it, but that doesn't really bother me. But will make sure I get this in writing next year because as with EPIK and SMOE you can be moved around. So if I'm not at my current school I'll want that confirmation in writing before I sign, because I want that week off.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with SMOE and my co-teacher just informed me that if I want to travel overseas during winter vacation, I have to give my principal 15 days notice so he can give approval. Anyone heard of this rule?
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
I'm with SMOE and my co-teacher just informed me that if I want to travel overseas during winter vacation, I have to give my principal 15 days notice so he can give approval. Anyone heard of this rule?


Take a look at your contract. Specifically Article 14, part 3.

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Employee shall apply for and obtain Employer's consent to take a leave at least fifteen (15) days in advance.
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aarontendo



Joined: 08 Feb 2006
Location: Daegu-ish

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he's referring to the fact that he needs approval to use his own vacation to leave the country.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aarontendo wrote:
I think he's referring to the fact that he needs approval to use his own vacation to leave the country.


Indeed. I have some vacation time booked this winter. Right now, I have nothing concrete planned, but I might take a last minute break somewhere. Hypothetically speaking, if I decided midway through my break to jump on a plane to Tokyo, I wouldn't be allowed to go because my boss doesn't know?
How would he even know? Sounds a silly rule to me.
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aarontendo



Joined: 08 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just plan your vacation days and do what ya want. If your school calls tell em your phone was broken/dead/etc.

I think it's just a holdover cause Korean teachers gotta get permission to leave the country too.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't care what the principal says. If I feel like a last minute excursion, then that's what I'll do. This is not an act of impertinent defiance on my behalf, but I do feel it's a bit much to expect that kind of deference from me when it comes to my own precious free time.
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