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Sadebugo1



Joined: 11 May 2003

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2003 6:16 pm    Post subject: How to deal with Sexual Harrassment? Reply with quote

Let me set the stage . . . I am a man working at a language institute in Korea. For the last several months, one of my co-workers has been sexually harrassing female teachers and adult female students. When confronted with this by the other teachers, this teacher denied that he was harrassing anyone. Even when his observed comments and actions were repeated to him, he denied (with a straight face) that he had said/done these things. The next step was to report him to the director of the hagwon. Of course, this didn't work as the director has such a difficult time finding teachers as it is. So, about one month has passed since the 'intervention' and yet the teacher's behavior has failed to improve. If anything, he has become even more brazen and defiant!

So, my question is what would you do to solve this problem short of doing something illegal? I am so sick and tired of watching these women suffer at the hands of this psycho! Also, I hate the stereotype of the western male that this guy is reinforcing. Please, give me a solution!

Thanks for any input . . .
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sparkx



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: thekimchipot.com

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2003 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you can clarify exactly what the guy is doing...Not to question your honesty are anything there man but in this country that line is pretty fuzzy. Many teachers come from ultra PC cities where a comment about the attractiveness of a co-worker merits sexual harassment.
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Sadebugo1



Joined: 11 May 2003

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2003 7:23 pm    Post subject: Not Relevant . . . Sorry Reply with quote

sparkx wrote:
Maybe you can clarify exactly what the guy is doing...Not to question your honesty are anything there man but in this country that line is pretty fuzzy. Many teachers come from ultra PC cities where a comment about the attractiveness of a co-worker merits sexual harassment.


I choose not to point out the exact acts as I wouldn't want the individual to recognize his own situation. Also, whether or not his actions constitute sexual harassment is not the issue. Believe me, with what he has done, there is no gray area. I'm just asking for a possible solution considering the fact that SH is happening.
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Blue Flower



Joined: 23 Feb 2003
Location: The realisation that I only have to endure two more weeks in this filthy, perverted, nasty place!

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2003 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have any practical advice to give, other than smacking him over, but I do commend you for your attempts to try and reason with him, and also for caring enough about how the women are feeling. That is a very big thing. I give you a double thumbs up for that!!!
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2003 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it might be pretty serious over there, but do as the Koreans in this case, and let time and his own actions take cafe of him. Give the Koreans more credit with noticing and being bothered by him. If he is the jerk you say he is, he will hang himself in this society. If he doesn't hang himself, then what he is doing might seem ok to Koreans. I know, for I work with a pretty questionable guy myself, and I don't really like this actions, but he stays around and gets rehired. Different culture that is all I can say.
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Sadebugo1



Joined: 11 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2003 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

weatherman wrote:
I know it might be pretty serious over there, but do as the Koreans in this case, and let time and his own actions take cafe of him. Give the Koreans more credit with noticing and being bothered by him. If he is the jerk you say he is, he will hang himself in this society. If he doesn't hang himself, then what he is doing might seem ok to Koreans. I know, for I work with a pretty questionable guy myself, and I don't really like this actions, but he stays around and gets rehired. Different culture that is all I can say.


I see what you mean. His behavior is probably not acceptable with the Koreans, but not horrific enough to warrant going to the trouble of finding his replacement. The dilemma is that his behavior is NOT accceptable with the Western staff he harrasses and works with every day. Therefore, WE are trying to be proactive and find a solution for this jerk. I hope someone can help.
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W.T.Carl



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This guys borish behavior might get him fired in the States. However, you aren't in the States. One good thing about Korea is that PC isn't important. What you might find offensive may not be considered offensive in Asia ( or anywhere else in the real world) If they guy acts like an ass, call him on it, but don't expect the powers that be to do anything about it. Remember that you aren't in Kansas anymore.
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Sadebugo1



Joined: 11 May 2003

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 5:57 pm    Post subject: Eureka! A Solution has been found!!! Reply with quote

W.T.Carl wrote:
This guys borish behavior might get him fired in the States. However, you aren't in the States. One good thing about Korea is that PC isn't important. What you might find offensive may not be considered offensive in Asia ( or anywhere else in the real world) If they guy acts like an ass, call him on it, but don't expect the powers that be to do anything about it. Remember that you aren't in Kansas anymore.


Well, I think the cultural relativity argument is a cop out. Also, I may not have mentioned this before, but female students have also complained both to the staff and administration about his behavior. So, I guess his behavior IS unacceptable in Korea. Whether or not, action will be taken is another story.

Anyway, as I said in the subject line, a solution has been found. There are nine foreign instructors at our school including the culprit. Eight of us had a meeting the other day and we all decided to confront the director with this issue again. Basically, we're going to tell him that because of this individual, the work environment is intolerable. Therefore, if he is not fired, we will immediately hand in our resignations. It should be much more difficult to hire eight new teachers than one. We are not bluffing so if he calls us on this, we will all be gone.

And again, for the record, this individual's actions do not occupy a gray area. If he were in the US, he would not only be fired from his job, but would also be arrested. It's not a matter of 'PC,' but is a matter of respecting other people's dignity.

Thank you for your advice.
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mokpochica



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I caught this thread kind of late, but I wanted to put in my $0.02. There are brochures that detail the sexual harassment law in Korea and offer practical advice for what to do. If you contact a tourist information place or the Korea Women's Association, you should be able to get your hands on them.
http://www.kaws.or.kr/english/link.html

You might want to give a few to your director (in Korean) and have some lying around on a desk to 'inform' other people, including the harasser. Actually, if I remember correctly, some of the pamphlets are in both Korean and English so they should be understandable by all. This could help a little in preventing future situations and informing all about the laws and reporting processes.
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Sadebugo1



Joined: 11 May 2003

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mokpochica wrote:
I guess I caught this thread kind of late, but I wanted to put in my $0.02. There are brochures that detail the sexual harassment law in Korea and offer practical advice for what to do. If you contact a tourist information place or the Korea Women's Association, you should be able to get your hands on them.
http://www.kaws.or.kr/english/link.html

You might want to give a few to your director (in Korean) and have some lying around on a desk to 'inform' other people, including the harasser. Actually, if I remember correctly, some of the pamphlets are in both Korean and English so they should be understandable by all. This could help a little in preventing future situations and informing all about the laws and reporting processes.


Thanks for the link. I will check this and bring it to the meeting. It's nice to read a comment that doesn't try to mitigate such behavior. And, for the record, I am a man.
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. This kind of unprofessional behavior must be stopped. As someone takes maintaining a professional atmosphere in the classroom all times, I must say I am deeply shocked and saddened by what I'm hearing here.

Signed,
Paddy Cakes
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2003 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

have a teachers meeting without him.. tell all the girls to WANGTA HIM!!
that will help that situation...and even ask some of the woman teachers to tell him off, shoot him down in someways, make him feel stupid..
that will stop him from pursuing the female teachers because he knows their is no point..
about the female students well thats a SERIOUS issue..
you guys need to sort that out if its getting bad in anyway, maybe of you guys need to put him aside and tell him..mucking arund with teenagers is sick!! and wrong!!
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Medic



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2003 8:15 pm    Post subject: How to deal with Sexual Harrassment? Reply with quote

Could be that the guy has a record, and is over here for reasons other than to teach. Is he totally blasie when you confront him? If he is he's got big problems. You can't and mustn't let him touch your students. That's a no no. Those kids come with the blessing of their parents, and having trust in you guys as native English speakers. He's dragging us all down. The institute owner aint much either from your description of him. Aren't any of you guys offended enough to smash him over the head with a brick. He's nothing but a predator.
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Anda



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2003 9:18 pm    Post subject: Um Reply with quote

Get a number of the Western staff members to write up letters of resignation and hand them in together to your boss, then you will see action.
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Sadebugo1



Joined: 11 May 2003

PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2003 12:46 am    Post subject: Re: How to deal with Sexual Harrassment? Reply with quote

Medic wrote:
Could be that the guy has a record, and is over here for reasons other than to teach. Is he totally blasie when you confront him? If he is he's got big problems. You can't and mustn't let him touch your students. That's a no no. Those kids come with the blessing of their parents, and having trust in you guys as native English speakers. He's dragging us all down. The institute owner aint much either from your description of him. Aren't any of you guys offended enough to smash him over the head with a brick. He's nothing but a predator.


Yes, we are all deeply offended. However, none of us have caught him in the act of touching a student. We just hear complaints from some of the students (mostly unspecified out of shame). I'm sure rage would take over if I saw him doing something like that. As for his treatment of the other teachers, he hasn't touched any (probably out of fear), but he has asked them on numerous occasions to join him in a love hotel (though put more graphically).

The funny thing is that he can make a statement like the one above and literally five minutes later deny he made the statement when confronted. If you say "but ***, I was standing there when you said it" he will say we're all crazy and imagining things. His confidence in denial is so extreme that I might believe him if there weren't two or three other witnesses to confirm what I thought I'd heard. It's an unbelievable situation!

Anyway, thank all of you again for the support and suggestions. Tomorrow, we're meeting the director and presenting him with his options. Wish us luck.
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