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cazador83
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 Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: why do koreans do this? |
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"Working hours are typically within the hours of 4:00PM to 12:00PM but actual teaching time is much lower than this."
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=28134
is it a korean thing to write midnight as 12pm?? it always confused the hell out of me when they say 12pm and mean 12am....
unless i'm just wrong and the teaching hours for this school are 4pm - 12pm of the next day...  |
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garykasparov
Joined: 27 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: why do koreans do this? |
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| cazador83 wrote: |
"Working hours are typically within the hours of 4:00PM to 12:00PM but actual teaching time is much lower than this."
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=28134
is it a korean thing to write midnight as 12pm?? it always confused the hell out of me when they say 12pm and mean 12am....
unless i'm just wrong and the teaching hours for this school are 4pm - 12pm of the next day... |
The employer is only counting time spent teaching in the classroom as a "working hour." Therein lies another problem that no new teacher would have caught in the advertisement you posted. Pursuant to labor laws, your employer is required to pay you extra remuneration for night works (10:30 p.m. - 6:00 a.m.). Your employer would have to pay you your hourly wage x 1.5.
2,200,000 / 120 = 18,333 KRW (Hourly Wage) x 1.5 = 27,499 KRW (Overtime Wage)
2,300,000 / 120 = 19,166 KRW x 1.5 = 28,749 KRW
2,400,000 / 120 = 20,000 KRW x 1.5 = 30,000 KRW
When the teacher finishes working at this school, the employer will owe alot of unpaid overtime wages. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah there is no such thing as 12 pm or 12 am. Post meridian, anti meridian. It's like saying "is the number one pre 1 or post 1?" No. It's exactly 1 you idiot. You need to speak of noon or midnight. Some cities have actually lost court cases over parking tickets because they've posted signs like "no parking 9 am to 12 pm", which renders the regulation meaningless. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Er..why is '9am to 12pm' wrong?
To the OP: you're right. Koreans seem perennially confused about this. Well, they know what they mean but it makes you wonder if it's a result of misunderstanding the original concept or not.
When they use the 24 hour clock on things like bus timetables they also put '2600 hours' for 2am the following morning. It makes sense but once again seems like a corruption of the original concept.
I wonder if Koreans learned this from the Japanese? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
| Er..why is '9am to 12pm' wrong? |
Because there is no such thing as 12 pm or 12 am. Is 12 pm noon or midnight? 11:59.59 pm becomes 12 pm or 12 am? If you could find me a time authority that defines the second following 11:59.59 pm as 12 pm or 12 am I would be very interested.
To wit, the sign is meaningless. Now parking from 9 am until a time that has no definition under law. |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Reminds me of a 0-3 count to the batter in baseball here. Wouldn't that mean that the batter is OUT!?! Annoys the hell out of me.
mindmetoo - what do airlines write on flight tickets for flights at midnight/noon? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Hanson wrote: |
Reminds me of a 0-3 count to the batter in baseball here. Wouldn't that mean that the batter is OUT!?! Annoys the hell out of me.
mindmetoo - what do airlines write on flight tickets for flights at midnight/noon? |
On the 24 hour system:
00:00 = midnight, 00:01 is 1 minute past midnight,
12:00 = noon and 12:01 is 1 minute past noon. The confusion disappears. |
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cazador83
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
Because there is no such thing as 12 pm or 12 am. Is 12 pm noon or midnight? 11:59.59 pm becomes 12 pm or 12 am? |
where are you from? because where i'm from (america), we use 12 pm for noon and 12am for midnight.... |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Hanson wrote: |
Reminds me of a 0-3 count to the batter in baseball here. Wouldn't that mean that the batter is OUT!?! Annoys the hell out of me.
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That I found strange as well when watching MLB on a Korean channel. And the announcers always used English numbers for the count. "Two-suhlee" ... strikes first? Argh, I used to umpire/play baseball many moons ago... |
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jessie-b
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| 12am- middle of the night, 12pm- lunchtime. It is a U.S. thing. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| jessie-b wrote: |
| 12am- middle of the night, 12pm- lunchtime. It is a U.S. thing. |
It's not a U.S. thing. It's exactly the same in the UK, and Australia, and in every other country I've ever heard of except Korea. Never mind mindmetoo. |
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garykasparov
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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i too used to be ignorant of the variations in usage within English speaking communities (NOT including english as a second language places like India).
midnight and noon are the only universals
12 pm and 12 am are NOT clear internationally across english speaking countries
it took me a year or two to become comfortable with the fact that usages I'd never heard of could be operative within an english-language community (I am NOT talking about konglish or other ESL derivatives)
"hire a car" i used to think meant the driver was included because we hire people, we rent things... but there are english speaking communities which use the term 'hire' differently, a shocker, among several others |
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cazador83
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:02 am Post subject: |
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yeah and also look at digital clocks and the time on computers (12 hour mode, not 24). it has 12am when it's midnight, and 12pm at noon.
also, i think we can all agree that 12:00am is the beginning of the day, right?
also, think about new years, when the ball drops and everyone's counting down...we celebrate january 1st at exactly 12:00am. (i'm only saying this bc that wiki page has a lot of weird info and some people on here might argue that 12:01am is the start of the day..and i've even known some people who argued that 1:00am was the start of the day!). |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
i too used to be ignorant of the variations in usage within English speaking communities (NOT including english as a second language places like India).
midnight and noon are the only universals
12 pm and 12 am are NOT clear internationally across english speaking countries
it took me a year or two to become comfortable with the fact that usages I'd never heard of could be operative within an english-language community (I am NOT talking about konglish or other ESL derivatives)
"hire a car" i used to think meant the driver was included because we hire people, we rent things... but there are english speaking communities which use the term 'hire' differently, a shocker, among several others |
Ok so could you enlighten us as to which native English speaker countries and/or communities in particular do not follow the rule, or convention if you will, that 12am is midnight and 12pm is noon?
I hadn't heard of this before. |
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