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How to convince my school to let me leave early?*update pg.4
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xCustomx



Joined: 06 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: How to convince my school to let me leave early?*update pg.4 Reply with quote

This past summer I was required to sit in the office until 5pm, even though my summer camp classes finished at 12. I never complained about this, as I know that it's written in my contract. About a month ago I asked my co-teacher if I could leave after the classes finish during the winter camp, but was told that I would have to wait and see. Well, my co-teacher is planning the winter camp dates now and I was told that if I finish at noon then I will have to stay until 5 again.

Is there anything that I can do that might get my vice-principal/principal to change their minds and let me go home early, rather than freeze my butt off in the office for 5 hours a day?


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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: How can I convice my school to let me leave early? Reply with quote

xCustomx wrote:
This past summer I was required to sit in the office until 5pm, even though my summer camp classes finished at 12. I never complained about this, as I know that it's written in my contract. About a month ago I asked my co-teacher if I could leave after the classes finish during the winter camp, but was told that I would have to wait and see. Well, my co-teacher is planning the winter camp dates now and I was given two different schedules to choose from:
Dec. 31st, Jan 2-4th for planning, with camp running from Jan. 7-18th (9-12 with 1st grade, 2-3:30 for 2nd grade).

or

Dec 31-Jan. 11 (1st grade) and Jan. 14-18 (2nd grade) from 9-12 each day.

I was told however that if I choose to work from 9-12, that I probably won't be able to leave early. Is there anything that I can do that might get my vice-principal/principal to change their minds and let me go home early, rather than freeze my butt off in the office for 5 hours a day?


i don't have a solution to your problem, but i know what makes me feel better when i stay here all day alone... insist they turn on the heating, then BLAST it all day long (even when you're in another classroom teaching). i'm talking tank-top/t-shirt weather.
maybe after getting the bill, they'll decide that the next foreigner will never stay all day and waste the heat!
sadly, it honestly does make me feel better....
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xCustomx



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wings



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got out of having to stay by claiming that I need a hot lunch everyday, so if they can't give me one at the school (which they can't if I"m the only one here) then I will have to go home so I can cook something for myself, so that I can stay healthy.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wings wrote:
I got out of having to stay by claiming that I need a hot lunch everyday, so if they can't give me one at the school (which they can't if I"m the only one here) then I will have to go home so I can cook something for myself, so that I can stay healthy.


that's a really good idea, maybe custom can try it. i would but there's always 2 teachers here during the break and they order in stuff at lunch Sad

although i do complain about staying all day long during break, it's way better than during the semester. i've got the whole office to myself, i bring a pillow, crank the heat, watch movies on the big screen in the English zone, use their phone... and did i mention, surf dave's endlessly?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wings wrote:
I got out of having to stay by claiming that I need a hot lunch everyday, so if they can't give me one at the school (which they can't if I"m the only one here) then I will have to go home so I can cook something for myself, so that I can stay healthy.


Well, since I haven't eaten a school lunch in 3 months and go out to eat every day, I doubt that idea would work.

I'm expecting to stay.
The thing that really annoys me however is the fact that I was told that the GEPIK contract was non-negotiable, only to find out later that it's up to each school's discretion whether or not they are willing to change things like vacation days, camp hours, housing deposits, etc.


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nobbyken



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My GEPIK contract recognizes the difference between semester time and vacation time by stating that I work 20 hours a week max during vacation time.
This equates to 4 hours per day, and I can't see how they can make me work 8 hours a day like during semester time.

Last camp, they never tried and let me go if I had finished preping for the next day. I always had to spend a few hours as I had no time to do prep till the day before camp.
(This winter, I am doing all the on empty days in school enabling me to leave smartish after a possibly stressful day.)
Last camp, they would order in food, highlight of the day it seems, which may take most of 1 hour to cook and eat. This left me stressed for preping for the after lunch class I had agreed to, everyone else just pottered about for a bit.

If the contract stipulates that you are there from blahblah to blahblah, then you should stay.
If contract says 4 hours a day, then you can interpret 4 hours a day and negotiate.
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boyne11



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sick leave is always good bargaining tool.

Use them if you have to. Wink
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xCustomx



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nobbyken wrote:
My GEPIK contract recognizes the difference between semester time and vacation time by stating that I work 20 hours a week max during vacation time.
This equates to 4 hours per day, and I can't see how they can make me work 8 hours a day like during semester time.

Last camp, they never tried and let me go if I had finished preping for the next day. I always had to spend a few hours as I had no time to do prep till the day before camp.
(This winter, I am doing all the on empty days in school enabling me to leave smartish after a possibly stressful day.)
Last camp, they would order in food, highlight of the day it seems, which may take most of 1 hour to cook and eat. This left me stressed for preping for the after lunch class I had agreed to, everyone else just pottered about for a bit.

If the contract stipulates that you are there from blahblah to blahblah, then you should stay.
If contract says 4 hours a day, then you can interpret 4 hours a day and negotiate.


You have the old GEPIK contract. I signed this one originally but the part about working only 40 hours total during camp was removed and changed to 20 hours a week during the break
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I have the one stating 20 hours a week during the break.

It says that normal hours are from 8.30 to 4.30, but break is not normal.

This time I told them that I would do 4 hours a day, no problem.
Last time VP said I could leave after prepped for the next day, this was related to me by the music teacher, but not in a song.

EDIT : 20 a week = 4 a day (8.30-12.30), or 8 a day x 2.5.
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kat2



Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them you want to take the time off to take a Korean class. If you tell them you have a private Koean tutor, then they can't really check up on you to see if you are enrolled. They let teachers at my school go all the time for "professional development".
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icnelly



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where does it say in the GEPIK contract about sitting on your duff all day during the summer and winter? I might have missed it the last time I read through...
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fromtheuk



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoyed summer camp. I had a few weeks alone, without my co-teacher. I felt relaxed teaching.

I have already bought a heater for work, I advise you to do the same, that way you won't feel so cold.

I personally don't mind staying until 4.40pm. I just surf the net and sit around looking around the room, feeling appreciative and thankful I have complete peace and quiet.

For me it feels a bit like vacation time.
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boyne11



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fromtheuk wrote:
I enjoyed summer camp. I had a few weeks alone, without my co-teacher. I felt relaxed teaching.

I have already bought a heater for work, I advise you to do the same, that way you won't feel so cold.

I personally don't mind staying until 4.40pm. I just surf the net and sit around looking around the room, feeling appreciative and thankful I have complete peace and quiet.

For me it feels a bit like vacation time.


Why would you buy a heater for work? Doesn't your school have a heater?

It is your school's responsibility to provide you with a heater. Otherwise, you should cancel your winter camp classes when it's too cold. Or call in sick (sick of coldness).
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

During class they will put on the heating, but in the afternoon when my class has finished, I assume the heating will be turned off.

In my office, which is next door to the English classroom, there is a vent for the heating to come through, but I think it's faulty and never works.

I was forewarned by my co-teacher to bring in a heater for winter camp. I bought one anyway, before that advice, when it started to get too cold in my office (especially during the afternoons).

I haven't taken a day off sick since the start of this job, about 7 months ago, I will start to use them nearer the end of the contract, if I really want to.
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