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the foystein
Joined: 23 Apr 2007
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 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: Business/Politics and Background Checks |
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While the new requirements are well intentioned they are too onerous and won't work. Before these new regulations there were more jobs than applicants and this will exacerbate the situation. When the schools and private companies start to feel the pinch from not being able to find teachers they will pressure the government and the system will be amended.
I have over twenty years experience of hiring people in America and those systems would work well here.
1. From the application you have the dates of education and employment. You have a signed release from the applicant and simply fax the former employers to verify dates of employment. If there are gaps that is a huge red flag. This whole process takes a couple of days.
2. If you wish to do a credit and criminal check there are many companies who do these and usually take 48 hours. This does come with a cost. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: Business/Politics and Background Checks |
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| the foystein wrote: |
While the new requirements are well intentioned they are too onerous and won't work. Before these new regulations there were more jobs than applicants and this will exacerbate the situation. When the schools and private companies start to feel the pinch from not being able to find teachers they will pressure the government and the system will be amended.
I have over twenty years experience of hiring people in America and those systems would work well here.
1. From the application you have the dates of education and employment. You have a signed release from the applicant and simply fax the former employers to verify dates of employment. If there are gaps that is a huge red flag. This whole process takes a couple of days.
2. If you wish to do a credit and criminal check there are many companies who do these and usually take 48 hours. This does come with a cost. |
In at least 3 of the 7 E2 countries there are NO 3rd party sources for CRCs. They would be illegal under the protection of privacy acts that currently exist in those countries.
Your assumptions face the same problem that immigration keeps running into.
You and they make the assumption that the situation in the US is the same as the commonwealth (and it is NOT) so they make the rules on that assumption and the implimentation falls apart when they discover AFTER the fact that they can't do what they want.
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Business/Politics and Background Checks |
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| the foystein wrote: |
While the new requirements are well intentioned they are too onerous and won't work. Before these new regulations there were more jobs than applicants and this will exacerbate the situation. When the schools and private companies start to feel the pinch from not being able to find teachers they will pressure the government and the system will be amended.
I have over twenty years experience of hiring people in America and those systems would work well here.
1. From the application you have the dates of education and employment. You have a signed release from the applicant and simply fax the former employers to verify dates of employment. If there are gaps that is a huge red flag. This whole process takes a couple of days.
2. If you wish to do a credit and criminal check there are many companies who do these and usually take 48 hours. This does come with a cost. |
The only problems are that due to the litigation situation in the West now many former employers wont release any information regarding employees and that includes whether that employee even woked there or not. Then you might run into the company with a huge HR department that is too busy to even respond to the request etc..... It's not all cut and dried. It's often a hassle in our own countries then if you threw in people who don't speak English well....you get my drift? |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Dear the foystein,
Thank you for your interest in our chatboard. After evaluating your application, we have decided to go with other applicants who have at least two years experience in being pushed out of their country due to excessive
demands for experience that business refuse to give opportunities to collect.
Warmest Regards,
m1m
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| 1. From the application you have the dates of education and employment. You have a signed release from the applicant and simply fax the former employers to verify dates of employment. If there are gaps that is a huge red flag. This whole process takes a couple of days. |
I know lots of people with considerable gaps in employment when they were, along with 10-50 others, laid off from their tech jobs and spent the next year trying to find employment in a recessive economy. Huge red flag for a lousy job market perhaps.  It's thinking like that which makes me glad Asia continues to be such a lucrative employment option. |
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the foystein
Joined: 23 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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I was just saying how you can do things in America. I did not presume it was the same in other E-2 countries.
As to companies not releasing information, I never had that problem. At times it took a telephone call to "remind" them to do it. As to employment gaps, people lose jobs - part of life. Very, very few people have the financial resources to not work at some kind of job for long periods of time. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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In NZ, there are two criminal records, one that is provided to immigration for a visa check and one that is provided to your employer and is less detailed.
It is illegal under NZ law for your employer to force you to provide a criminal record. You can refuse to take the job or tell them to stuff it where the sun doesn't shine. Either way, you won't have a job, just one is more personally satisfying. |
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