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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:05 am    Post subject: "ARYAN" - ism Reply with quote

Well, does anyone care to try & honestly define this?

Here's an interesting starting point: what's the FIRST thing that magickally "pops" into your head when you hear this word, conceive of it mentally, or see it in print?

Frankly i'm quite interested in seeing whether there is any one single clear cut consensus here on this particularly perplexing little "ISM" Wink


Also, just for the heck of it, while we're on the topic of these neatly little packaged & pre-fabricated "ISMS" why not add a few more ...

Femin-ISM

Marx-ISM

Capital-ISM

Commun-ISM

Mao-ISM

Vegetarian-ISM

Sado-masoch-ISM (sic?)

Anti-semit-ISM ( one of my all time DOUBLE THINK favs ) Rolling Eyes

ETC ... ETC ...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Wikipedia

Aryan (/ɑːrjən/) is an English language word derived from the Sanskrit and Iranian terms ārya-, the extended form aryāna-, ari- and/or arya- (Sanskrit: आर्य, Persian: آریا). Beyond its use as the ethnic self-designation of the Proto-Indo-Iranians, the meaning "noble/spiritual" has been attached to it in Sanskrit and Persian. In linguistics, it is sometimes still used in reference to the Indo-Iranian language family, but it is primarily restricted to the compound Indo-Aryan, the Indic subgroup of the Indo-Iranian branch.

Because of ethnolinguistic arguments about connections between peoples and cultural values, "Aryan" peoples were often considered to be distinct from Semitic peoples. By the end of the nineteenth century this usage was so common that "Aryan" was often used as a synonym for "gentile", and this popular usage persisted even after academic authors had ceased to use the term in any other meaning than "Indo-Iranian". Among White supremacists the term still sometimes functions as a synonym for non-Jewish "white person."

The Racial Connotation

The Aryan race was a term used in the early 20th century by European racial theorists who believed strongly in the division of humanity into biologically distinct races with differing characteristics. Such writers believed that the Proto-Indo-Europeans constituted a specific race that had expanded across Europe, Iran and India. This meaning was, and still is, common in theories of racial superiority which were embraced by Nazi Germany. This usage tends to merge the Sanskrit meaning of "noble" or "elevated" with the idea of distinctive behavioral and ancestral ethnicity marked by language distribution. In this interpretation, the Aryan Race is both the highest representative of mankind and the purest descendent of the Proto-Indo-European population.

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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, we're talking the FIRST thing in my head, so these images are by no means meant to be the sum total of my thoughts on the given "ism".

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Femin-ISM


Women marching in the streets of a big American city, circa 1977.

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Marx-ISM


A picture of Karl Marx with his hand tucked in his jacket.

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Capital-ISM


Tall skyscrapers, the general sound of whirring industry, the whole Ayn Rand aesthetic.

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Commun-ISM


The old Soviet anthem.

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Mao-ISM


A picture of Mao. (MaoIST, on the other hand, brings to mind somewhat unbalanced political activists on a university campus somewhere, circa 1972.)

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Vegetarian-ISM


A salad.

Quote:
Sado-masoch-ISM


Someone chained to the wall being whipped in a darkened room.

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Anti-semit-ISM


Stars Of David being painted on grocers' windows.

(By the way, according to a well-known pro-Palestinian academic I had a brief e-mail exchange with, the word "anti-semitism" is in fact used throught much of the arab language press to refer specifically to anti-Jewish prejudice.)
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
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Anti-semit-ISM


Stars Of David being painted on grocers' windows.

(By the way, according to a well-known pro-Palestinian academic I had a brief e-mail exchange with, the word "anti-semitism" is in fact used throught much of the arab language press to refer specifically to anti-Jewish prejudice.)


Anti what? Semit-ISM? What exactly is a semite?

Fools.


If what one means is anti-Jewish prejudice, then SAY IT!

Don' try & hide behind or bamboozle easily intimidated simpletons w/ meaningless, mindless & ambiguous catch-phrases.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and us for Aryanism, something along these general lines...

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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
Oh, and us for Aryanism, something along these general lines...



Yes, typical shallow sterotype isn't it?

How about this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arya

Hmmmmmmm ... gee ... so OPPOSITE to Hitler's "hoodwinking" version of ARYAN-ism .

Why? Because one is not BORN an ARYAN, you BECOME one. Much along the lines of what Buddha said re: Brahmin / high caste people.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
On the other hand wrote:
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Anti-semit-ISM


Stars Of David being painted on grocers' windows.

(By the way, according to a well-known pro-Palestinian academic I had a brief e-mail exchange with, the word "anti-semitism" is in fact used throught much of the arab language press to refer specifically to anti-Jewish prejudice.)


Anti what? Semit-ISM? What exactly is a semite?

Fools.


If what one means is anti-Jewish prejudice, then SAY IT!

Don' try & hide behind or bamboozle easily intimidated simpletons w/ meaningless, mindless & ambiguous catch-phrases.


IGTG:

I'm not defending the use of the phrase. I'm just saying that this is what I've been told by a pretty reputable scholar in the field, that much of the arab press uses the phrase to mean anti-Jewish prejudice.

And that doesn't neccessarily mean that the arabs don't regard themselves as semites, any more than a Canadian regards himself as not living in the Americas when he used the word "American" as synonymous for "someone from the USA."
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
On the other hand wrote:
Oh, and us for Aryanism, something along these general lines...



Yes, typical shallow sterotype isn't it?

How about this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arya

Hmmmmmmm ... gee ... so OPPOSITE to Hitler's "hoodwinking" version of ARYAN-ism .

Why? Because one is not BORN an ARYAN, you BECOME one. Much along the lines of what Buddha said re: Brahmin / high caste people.


Yeah, I'm more-or-less aware of all this. You just asked for the first thing that came into my head, so there it is.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
Yeah, I'm more-or-less aware of all this. You just asked for the first thing that came into my head, so there it is.


More or less aware of all of this? Fine. What do you think then? Does it not strike you as a little odd?
Which is it? The "TRUE" Aryan-ISM? Hitler's version ( reversed SWASTIKA included ) Idea OR the ancient & HISTORIC?

btw - Were you equally aware that Buddhism's 4 "NOBLE" truths = the 4 ARIYAS?

For his part Hitler held a great ignorant disdain of Buddhism.

Do you not see the irony? None of this should be seen as any small importance.


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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
On the other hand wrote:
Yeah, I'm more-or-less aware of all this. You just asked for the first thing that came into my head, so there it is.


More or less aware of all of this? Fine. What do you think then? Does it not strike you as a little odd? Which is it? The "TRUE" Aryan-ISM? Hitler's version ( reversed SWASTIKA included ) Idea OR the ancient & HISTORIC?

btw - Were you equally aware that Buddhism's 4 "NOBLE" truths = the 4 ARIYAS? Are you equally aware of Hitler's great ignorant disdain for Buddhism?


Perhaps you should take this argument up with someone who actually admires Hitler, and would feel compelled to defend the man against the(probably quite valid) accusations you are levelling.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
Perhaps you should take this argument up with someone who actually admires Hitler, and would feel compelled to defend the man against the(probably quite valid) accusations you are levelling.


What accusations? Also, i don't see the mere presentation of the "facts" as constituting much of an argument. Moreover, why exactly do you suggest that only a Hitler "admirer" can effectively respond to such things? Don't quite follow you on this one.

Frankly the aim here was simply to help clarify. Was hoping perhaps some others would be interested in contributing / offering further insight.

Thanks btw for your comments & candidacy Cool

i simply can't believe how some people are so stupid when it comes to mindlessly parroting words like anti "Semite"
& Aryan-ism.

No better than cheaply programmed drones.

On a related topic, are you by chance familiar with PLATO's "Allegory of the Cave"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On a related topic, are you by chance familiar with PLATO's "Allegory of the Cave"?


Yes. I minored in philosophy, and that's one of the first things they cover.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:16 am    Post subject: Re: "ARYAN" - ism Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:

Here's an interesting starting point: what's the FIRST thing that magickally "pops" into your head when you hear this word, conceive of it mentally, or see it in print?


Quote:
"ARYAN" - ism

Dillholes in bomber jackets

Quote:
Femin-ISM

Braless women marching. Knuckle-draggers mocking them.

Quote:
Marx-ISM

Banana republics

Quote:
Capital-ISM

A fat *beep* in a tux, and top had smoking a cigar while some kid is shining his shoes for pennies.

Quote:
Commun-ISM

Kick-ass recruiting posters

Quote:
Mao-ISM

Young Chinese happily walking to their deaths on the farms in old newsreels.

Quote:
Vegetarian-ISM

Hippies

Quote:
Sado-masoch-ISM (sic?)

What the fat *beep* in a tux I mentioned above does to get off

Quote:
Anti-semit-ISM

Dillholes in bomber jackets
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you like your little cave twg? Comfortable?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How do you like your little cave twg? Comfortable?


I would assume that the caveat I applied to my first post would apply to anyone else who answers your question...

Quote:
we're talking the FIRST thing in my head, so these images are by no means meant to be the sum total of my thoughts on the given "ism".
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