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apieross



Joined: 15 Oct 2007
Location: SAUDI ARABIA

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:57 am    Post subject: experience in Korea Reply with quote

I feel I need to warn prospective teachers by stating what happened to me:
1. When my husband had EMERGENCY SURGERY, I was not allowed to leave the school in order to phone home (the phone at school could not phone to my country.)
2. I was expected to subsidise the multiple-school programme, as the fuel to such schools cost more than the allowance, and, being in a rural area, meant that I had to use the car.
3. No proper insurance for my being in an accident was available.
4. I had only one English TV channel, that would broadcast the same programme three times on a single weekend.
5. It is really difficult to get around.
6. The Korean money is really worth nothing, which means that the chance of making substantial savings are very, very low.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. I'm really sorry to hear that, some schools/people have no idea what compassion means. I hope your husband is ok.
2. Tough break. Was this a public school? Did you try and pursue this issue?
3....
4. You should've gotten cable, I don't have cable, but some of my friends do and they have 30+ english channels to choose from.
5. Maybe in rural areas, but that's the same in many place. In Seoul or other urban centres, public transport is pretty good.
6. Actually Korean money is worth something, about W935 to the dollar at the moment. It's also pretty easy to send it back home (exchange it), and starting salaries here are in the region of $2000 + benefits... so it is quite easy to save, depending on your goal of course.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, OP, hope your better half is getting better.

Translation for prospective teachers:

1) Only look for jobs in Seoul or Pusan

2) Research your job before you sign
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normalcyispasse



Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Yeosu until the end of February WOOOOOOOO

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
Hey, OP, hope your better half is getting better.

Translation for prospective teachers:

1) Only look for jobs in Seoul or Pusan



What a maroon.
Some of us enjoy living and working elsewhere, y'know.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:06 pm    Post subject: A few points to consider Reply with quote

I just wanted to make a few comments about the OPs post:

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1. When my husband had EMERGENCY SURGERY, I was not allowed to leave the school in order to phone home (the phone at school could not phone to my country.)


From my perspective if my family member is having surgery, the school can plan on me being by their side. It is customary in this country for family members to be with their loved ones while they are in the hospital. You school or hagwon was just taking advantage of the situation for their own selfish reasons. I would have told them to stick where the Sun doesn't shine and walked out to be with my family member.

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2. I was expected to subsidise the multiple-school programme, as the fuel to such schools cost more than the allowance, and, being in a rural area, meant that I had to use the car.


Not sure what you mean about using their car, but if it had to do with transporting your husband to the hospital, Ambulances in Korea are free when people have to be transported to the hospital. I know because I had to use an ambulance when I had a series injury. Your school or hagwon knows this, so if they are pulling this on you then they again are operating out of selfishness. If it was for some other reason that you used their car, please explain.

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5. It is really difficult to get around.


Not sure where you lived, but the rural areas of the country can be a challenge. I live in a rural area, but I have access to the bus lines and the train. Many foreigners are limited in there ability to communicate with Koreans so they simply don't travel. This one is really on the OP to get out and do what they can to learn a few expressions to help them find their way around. I can really see no fault on the part of the school or hagwon for this particular area of discontent.

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3. No proper insurance for my being in an accident was available.


The insurance offered by the schools, hagwons is minimal at best. From living in this country for four years I have learned to carry my own personal insurance through a private provider. It costs a little (I have three policies that run about 160,000 KRW per month), but in the long run it is well worth it to me. I have had to use my policies on a few occasions and it paid me back money after my hospital bills were paid. No one is going to tell you this because they either don't think about it or simply don't care to share it with you. I had to do the research and find out a few companies that I could work with.
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4. I had only one English TV channel, that would broadcast the same programme three times on a single weekend.


Too bad about that, but the school or hagwon is going to get by as cheaply as they can when it comes to foreign teachers in this country. You could have gotten cable through a local provider and had plenty of channels. The cost of cable in this country is dirt cheap compared to other countries in the world.

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6. The Korean money is really worth nothing, which means that the chance of making substantial savings are very, very low.


Not sure where the OP comes from, but unless you are going back to a 2nd or 3rd world nation, the money here is quite good in terms of saving money and having spending power. I have numerous friends who have lived here both short and long periods of time. They have all reported that they are able to save a lot of money which they send back to their home country. Again, this one is really on the OP in terms of how they manage their personal finances.

These were just a few of the things I wanted to relate, because contrary to the bad situation and experience of the OP, Korea isn't that bad.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

normalcyispasse,

Lighten up, Francis. My comment was directed at newbies looking to come over for the first time. While the bulk of hakwons are crap, you stand a better chance of not getting bent over if you stick to bigger schools in the biggest cities.

Sure, if you want to live outside of the cities, then go for it. I will stick by my recommendation, however, as it would be better to get here, settle in and learn a bit, and then actually go an see where you'd be working. There are far too many fly-by-night mom and pop hakwons in the countryside.
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Don Calliente



Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Location: SEOUL

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Op's experience whilst bad is not the norm. My school and every one I've ever worked at would have no problems with me leaving to be with a loved one during such a time. I actually have had emergency leave written into all of my contracts.

Cable costs only 8,000 Won a month for nearly all the major channels!

I only work at one school.

Damn, I'm making half of what I was earning in the UK and saving almost double what I was saving in the UK. Perhaps that is enough to illustrate justhow much one can save here. I save around 1.2 million won a month.

The moral of this cautionary tale is - dont work for some obscure hakwan in the boonies, get a public school job or job at a largerhakwan with other foriegn employees who seem content (do your research.)
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And never stay at a hakwon for more than one year. Get here, get the lay of the land, and get out and about.

Yes, you can bank a lot here. The argument I get on the flipside from friends and family in the U.S. and Canada is that they, too, could save a lot if they lived in crap housing and didn't drive.

Still, for someone trying to get out of the rat race, or just to start out by banking and wiping out some loans, it's tough to beat Korea. Long term, I've found that you can achieve a good standard of living here, bank, and be happy. After 10 years or so, everything starts to equal out.

The one difference? My corporate buddies in the States, at 40, are just hitting full stride in their careers. I'm looking to semi-retire by 45. To each their own.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: experience in Korea Reply with quote

apieross wrote:

2. I was expected to subsidise the multiple-school programme, as the fuel to such schools cost more than the allowance, and, being in a rural area, meant that I had to use the car.


How did you get there before you bought the car? Or did you get to Korea and immediately buy a car? Did the school provide the car but no gas? I'm not getting this one at all.
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apieross



Joined: 15 Oct 2007
Location: SAUDI ARABIA

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:04 am    Post subject: korea Reply with quote

Hi everyone
thank you for your quick replies. just to make some points clear:
1. My husband was in our home country, and got bitten by a very poisonous spider, which is why he had emergency surgery. thanks for the concern; he recovered. I did resign, of course.
2. My apartment could not accommodate cable; the building next door could, but not the one I was in.
3. The school got me the car, but the allowance only reached to pay for 2/3 of the gas needed to travel to the schools. For about one month, it used to overheat - until they decided to have it repaired. I had to open the bonnet and fill up the water for almost every trip. In one of the classes, the co-teacher told the students all about it, making me out as a complainer because of this issue. All the children went "wah".
4. I was thinking about proper insurance should I be in a car accident, given that South Korea is so dangerous as far as driving is concerned.

In general, it was not a good experience. The only thing good about it is that the Koreans drove me to applying for a far better position in a country where they actually look after their foreigners.
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Intrepid



Joined: 13 May 2004
Location: Yongin

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:46 am    Post subject: One strange post Reply with quote

This is one weird post.
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
normalcyispasse,

Lighten up, Francis. My comment was directed at newbies looking to come over for the first time. While the bulk of hakwons are crap, you stand a better chance of not getting bent over if you stick to bigger schools in the biggest cities.

Sure, if you want to live outside of the cities, then go for it. I will stick by my recommendation, however, as it would be better to get here, settle in and learn a bit, and then actually go an see where you'd be working. There are far too many fly-by-night mom and pop hakwons in the countryside.


No offence, eh, but you are from Korea or your ancestors are Korean, eh?

Hanging with you,

I am,

Roch
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stillnotking



Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
And never stay at a hakwon for more than one year. Get here, get the lay of the land, and get out and about.


Just curious, but what specific post-hakwon options did you have in mind? You seem like you know what you're talking about and have been there.
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Netz



Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: One strange post Reply with quote

Intrepid wrote:
This is one weird post.


Agree completely
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saw6436



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon, ROK

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waaaa
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