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hagwonnewbie · Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Location: Asia

I was trying to remember the rule for Americans paying taxes back home. Don't you have to work 11 out of 12 months overseas or something like that to avoid paying them. The link to it on the FAQ page doesn't work anymore. Can someone give me a different link or the info?

KimchiExplosion · Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Location: Nowhere near Seoul

http://wiki.galbijim.com/Know_your_expatriate_taxation

This site rules.

saw6436 · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon, ROK

Just remember that even if you don't have to pay your USA taxes you must still file every year.

Woland · Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: Seoul

hagwonnewbie · Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Location: Asia

You stated:

Basically, you need to show that, in any 365 day period that includes some portion of the year in which you are filing a tax return for, you were physically present in the US for no more than 35 of those days. Thus, for my 2006 taxes, my accountant filed that I was in the US for exactly 35 days in the period from April 4, 2005 to April 3, 2006. The deduction is proportional to the number of days you were out of the country.

So if I am out of the country from March 1, 2007 to February 01, 2008; I should only have to pay 10/12ths of my 2007 taxes, right?

This sounds simple, but I suspect that I will need to get an accountant to do my taxes also.

Thanks for the tips, y'all.

dogshed · Joined: 28 Apr 2006

Vince · Joined: 05 May 2003

I did my own taxes and submitted the overseas exemption form. The instructions say the form needs to be submitted only the first year, and it will automatically extend to the following years that you're still overseas. I didn't trust that and each subsequent year included a copy of the first year's form as a reminder.

Apple · Joined: 29 May 2007 Location: S. Korea

flakfizer · Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:57 am Post subject:

Apple · Joined: 29 May 2007 Location: S. Korea

both...but mostly people living abroad

wanderingsalsero · Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Location: Houston, TX.

I know this will get some less than courteous reactions but that's OK. But I've got to tell you that there is no law that says you have to pay taxes. I'm just telling you so you can't say that nobody ever told you.

The fact is that the US federal income tax is 100% voluntary and it's based on self assesment. You don't and never did have to pay it unless you wanted to. It was only the accountants and crooked lawyers who make over 50% of their income from litigating tax cases and (trying to) interpret tax laws who want you to believe that you're supposed to pay it.

Yeah, yeah....I know the IRSS doesn't like it but they don't have the power you think they do. The fact is there's hundreds of thougsands of people who don't pay and/or don't file......I haven't done either since 2000. They can't force you to pay and they know it.

If it really wasn't mandatory, do you think they'd tell you?

You can say I'm a kook if you want. That's fine with me. But do the research yourself. Yeah, there are some wierd theories about why you don't have to pay out there but there's also several (that say basically the same thing) that'll tell you very clearly and reasonably why you don't.

One very interesting video you can see is Aaron Russo's "Freedom To Fascism".....found on YouTube and I think Google Video too. I promise you.....it'll have your ears curling by the time you finish it. Just watch it before you form your final opinion.

dogshed · Joined: 28 Apr 2006

Vince · Joined: 05 May 2003

Atavistic

wanderingsalsero · Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Location: Houston, TX.

Sure'nuff....somebody says I'm a kook but somebody else says their dad basically doesn't pay.

I'm not denying that some people get sent to prison but the percentage is very very very few in comparison to the numbers of people who aren't paying and we don't know the particulars of each case.

If those people who aren't paying were really and truly in violation of a bonafide law, don't you think there would be a real, extensive, publicized apparatus for dealing with them? For years and years, Irwin Schiff frustrated the IRSS by saying simply 'show me the law....' and they never never would address that issue.

Remember Bob Schultz, the founder of We The People Foundation (google it)? He went on a hungere strike basically because the government wouldn't give him 'redress of grievances' as we're supposed to have under our Constitution. Finally they relented and promised they'd meet him but at the last minute, after he'd stopped his hunger strike and all the national publicity had died down, they went back on their word.

Fact is, there isn't any law that requires the majority of US citizens to pay a federal income tax. I actually used to have an IRSS code book (which I bought from Irwins' store....he sold more of them than anybody else in the US)...and you can't even find any penalty in it for not paying.

The IRSS deal has the power to do a lot of stuff that it's really leagally isn't authorized to do. Wow! Imagine that!! How unique!!

The IRSS deals with people on an individual basis based on several factors:

Some people who are really making waves and leading too many other citizens to freedom, like Irwin Schiff, they eventually send to prison but even then only by denying them their rights.

Plus, non of us really know the circumstances of each case. One of the points Irwin Schiff used to make (and he was totally correct) is that the law in the US has become an abomination. Nobody can understand it.....and they like it that way.

But that's they way the lawyers and the government like it. That way, the federal critters are never accountable and they can always weasel out of promises. And the lawyers are assured of a job. People generally get just as much justice as they can afford and even then it's debatable.

But honestly, isn't it sorta ridiculous to generalize about stuff like.....'they all get sent to prison'. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. All? C'mon!

Also, I'll promise you that 101% of the time, people who shake in fear of the IRSS don't know the law and are too docile to take the initiative to find the facts for themselves (real 'American' trait isn't it?). Those people never have THEIR facts straight. Their minds are already made up.....and that's one of the primary reasons why the federal income tax survives to this day.

The other point is that whatever happened to people living by principles? So I get sent to prison.....or so you do.....are you such a *beep* and super homoginized, mind numbed robot that you're not prepared to make a sacrifice for your principles. That's why the US has become less than it used to be.....i.e. because we don't know what our principles really were and should still be.

I was very surprised to learn that the vast vast VAST majority of the things the US government spends money on are things that are not authorized by the Constitution. Actually one of the first things I said when I was being educated about what the law actually said about federal income taxes was, "What about the money necessary to run the country?"

Remember that I served my country in Vietnam for 4 years so I don't think that anybody can question that I love what my country stands for if not some aspects of what it has become. And my dad was killed in an aviation accident in WWII too. So...some of these little sophmores (which means 'wise idiot' in Latin) telling me about the reality of 'the law' ....it sorta rings hollow on my ears.

On Irwin Schiffs website www.paynoincometax.com you can now get his entire book 'The Federal Mafia' for free. Read the first couple of chapters....I'm telling ya! It'll make the hair on your head curl. And look at that Aaron Russo documentary.