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earthbound14

Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Location: seoul
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: getting fined by immigration |
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I'm posting this in Gdiscussion because I think it will be seen more.
So the other day I go into immigration to ask for a proof of residency certificate so i can buy a car and I'm told my visa has expired.......and I will have to pay 500,000 won. Now I'm not livid or anything, this won't kill me and I'm glad they didn't freak out and deport me, but I don't want to pay 500,00 won when I wasn't told my visa would expire sooner than my contract.
Before you jump on me for being an idiot....I felt like one for not noticing. This is the story. About a year and 3 months ago I started working for a Hogwan with a six month contract with the intent of studying Korean during the day. The plan from the start was to work only for six months and the employer was well aware of my intentions. You can't get a 6 month visa, only a 1 year. I changed jobs to a University at the end of my six months and brought my old employer in to immigration to find out exactly how to cancel my old visa so I can make my visa run to Japan for my new visa. Immigration informs me that they can switch my place of employment. I inform them that I have a 1 year contract, not a 6 month contract. They say no problem, we can extent it. Great, I don't have to go to Japan. So I inform my new employer of exactly the paper work I need. They promise to come with me to immigration to make sure everything goes smoothly. I show up to meet them there and a head teacher informs me they can't make it, so I'll have to do it myself. OK, I speak some Korean and immigration speaks some English. I figure this shouldn't be a problem, so I hand in my paper work (including a 1 year contract). I get my card back with some marker written on the back. It looks pretty un-official, so I ask them if this is good enough. They say yes, this is all you need. I check a few friends cards after and see they also have marker written on there card. I think nothing of it, and assume I have a full year on my visa. Now I'm three months past the date on the front of my card, but I'm thinking the chicken scratching on the back of my card is all cool. Immigration informs me that I'm missing the number in the bottom left hadn corner on the back. I tell them I didn't know I needed that and its pretty harsh to charge me 500,000 won for poor communication at immigration that didn't make me aware I only had six months when I asked for 1 year. Clearly there was a miscommunication. They are being really strict, "The number is not here, you have to pay!!!" "I didn't know I needed a number!" "Sorry, too bad, you need it and now you owe us 500,000!"
so what to do now? |
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atomic42

Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Location: Gimhae
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously think anyone's gonna take the time to read that mess?  |
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eddie1983man
Joined: 31 May 2007
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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atomic42 wrote: |
Seriously think anyone's gonna take the time to read that mess?  |
i did. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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I read it & its clear enough.
Afraid youre on the hook for this one. Without a valid update in the "period of stay" box on the back of your card, the expiry date on the front was still operative. You overstayed.
Immigration wasnt wrong -- that was all you needed at the time. I dont think your new employer was remiss either. They probably would have also confirmed youre good to go. You made a wrong assumption about the length of your extension. It would have been a simple matter to extend it again before it expired.
Stated simply, your ARC must show an unexpired "period of stay" date & the onus is on you to make sure its there.
However, I am surprised someone at immigration didnt try to contact you a month or so before expiry. Do they have your current contact info? I get a postcard each year to my home mailbox as well as a text message on my phone reminding me. |
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The_Eyeball_Kid

Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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eddie1983man wrote: |
atomic42 wrote: |
Seriously think anyone's gonna take the time to read that mess?  |
i did. |
I read the first few lines then skipped to the end. Honestly, what's wrong with using fucking paragraphs? Do you think you're Samuel Beckett or something? |
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inkoreaforgood
Joined: 15 Dec 2003 Location: Inchon
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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You're SOL, pay up the money. Really, for what they could charge you, 500,000 won is nothing. |
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adeline
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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something like this has happened to me although totally different situation. Made a mistake that was totally my fault but the fine was ridiculous. You just have to suck it up an pay, there really isn't any recourse. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: |
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just write the number on yourself and tell them they missed it. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: |
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That's what you get for assuming immigration are competent and know how to do their job. |
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Craven Moorehead

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: |
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The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
Do you think you're Samuel Beckett or something? |
Just what this place needs. Another incomprehensible Irishman. |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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I've paid fines to immigration twice, the first in 1995 for not having my alien registration card upon leaving -- I'd lost it a day before leaving Korea for China. The fine was 100,000 won. The second time was when I overstayed my tourist visa by one or two days (100,000 won). In the latter case, I forgot that 90 days is often a bit shorter than three months.
Suck it up and pay, just like many others. I've heard of Korean adoptees, however, who got the fine waived after failing to extend their F-4 visas. |
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whatever

Joined: 11 Jun 2006 Location: Korea: More fun than jail.
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:11 am Post subject: |
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The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
Do you think you're Samuel Beckett or something? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:38 am Post subject: |
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atomic42 wrote: |
Seriously think anyone's gonna take the time to read that mess?  |
Once he said " I am going to stay here SIX months only just to study Korean I bolted. Of course that is all it takes to learn Korean but give me a break. Stay a year man. Didn't read the rest of your story and I am glad you had the 5 large. He sounds like the type that goes to China and earns peanuts "just to experience the culture." |
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MarionG
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:40 am Post subject: |
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I read it. |
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earthbound14

Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Location: seoul
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: |
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schwa wrote: |
I read it & its clear enough.
Afraid youre on the hook for this one. Without a valid update in the "period of stay" box on the back of your card, the expiry date on the front was still operative. You overstayed.
Immigration wasnt wrong -- that was all you needed at the time. I dont think your new employer was remiss either. They probably would have also confirmed youre good to go. You made a wrong assumption about the length of your extension. It would have been a simple matter to extend it again before it expired.
Stated simply, your ARC must show an unexpired "period of stay" date & the onus is on you to make sure its there.
However, I am surprised someone at immigration didnt try to contact you a month or so before expiry. Do they have your current contact info? I get a postcard each year to my home mailbox as well as a text message on my phone reminding me. |
That's just it though, how could the onus be on me, I didn't know. I asked about it and was told it was what I needed. Clearly they mis-ubderstood me and expected that I knew I was supposed to come back at some other date and extend. I didn't. I handed in paper work for a year, not six months. They also didn't contact me to warn me. They know where I live. You are correct though, I did make a mistake by not making myself more aware of the alien card. They never changed any numbers on my card which I always thought was suspect. |
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