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AwesomeA
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Location: Yeosu
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: F2 holders and new regs. |
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| I have an F2 visa. I was wondering if I still have to have a criminal record check etc.... A lot of places require them, but I don't need to go through immi. Other than EPIK, are these new requirements strictly for a visa? |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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In my experience, non-E-2 holders applying for permission to engage in E-2 activities DO NOT have to have a medical and criminal check. An employer might tell you otherwise, but immigration does not require it.
An E-2 holder applying for permission to work at an additional workplace DOES have to have the medical and criminal check.
Your results may vary depending on the whim of the immigration agent. |
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winterwawa
Joined: 06 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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F2 VISA holders do not have to have CBC or medical, but a lot of (as in most) Koreans are assuming that all foreigners have to go through this new process. If your prospective employeer says you need them, first, politely ask if this is their company's policy or to satisfy the immigration policy. If they say company policy, then you have to abid, but if they answer that it is for immigration, kindly explain that it is your understanding that the new regulations are only for the E2 VISA and ask them to call the local immigration office and ask them what is needed for an F2 VISA holder. Immi will tell them nothing and that should solve the issue.
Good luck. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I got a criminal records check just in case some stellar job wants me, then asks for it. F2 or not, working around kids...I don't to see some F2 pedo slip between the cracks and screw it for all of us. Better if we have one on hand as well. |
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lucas_p
Joined: 17 Sep 2007
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I got a criminal records check just in case some stellar job wants me, then asks for it. F2 or not, working around kids...I don't to see some F2 pedo slip between the cracks and screw it for all of us. Better if we have one on hand as well. |
Sorry to burst your bubble, but an "F-2 pedo" CAN slip through the cracks EVEN WITH a criminal check. How many times must it be restated that Mr. Neil was not even an E-2, and was completely legal with nothing that would have shown up on a Canadian check. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| lucas_p wrote: |
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| I got a criminal records check just in case some stellar job wants me, then asks for it. F2 or not, working around kids...I don't to see some F2 pedo slip between the cracks and screw it for all of us. Better if we have one on hand as well. |
Sorry to burst your bubble, but an "F-2 pedo" CAN slip through the cracks EVEN WITH a criminal check. How many times must it be restated that Mr. Neil was not even an E-2, and was completely legal with nothing that would have shown up on a Canadian check. |
bursting one's bubble isn't nice! |
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dogshed

Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| lucas_p wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| I got a criminal records check just in case some stellar job wants me, then asks for it. F2 or not, working around kids...I don't to see some F2 pedo slip between the cracks and screw it for all of us. Better if we have one on hand as well. |
Sorry to burst your bubble, but an "F-2 pedo" CAN slip through the cracks EVEN WITH a criminal check. How many times must it be restated that Mr. Neil was not even an E-2, and was completely legal with nothing that would have shown up on a Canadian check. |
In addition to the issue of criminal behavior or intent to commit a crime not always being on a CRC, there is also the issue of fake papers. Because the CRC is handled by the applicant there is the opportunity for alteration or forgery. Immigration should collect a small fee and then make the request themselves and have the results sent directly to immigration.
They should do something similar with transcripts or letters of graduation. |
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winterwawa
Joined: 06 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| dogshed wrote: |
| lucas_p wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| I got a criminal records check just in case some stellar job wants me, then asks for it. F2 or not, working around kids...I don't to see some F2 pedo slip between the cracks and screw it for all of us. Better if we have one on hand as well. |
Sorry to burst your bubble, but an "F-2 pedo" CAN slip through the cracks EVEN WITH a criminal check. How many times must it be restated that Mr. Neil was not even an E-2, and was completely legal with nothing that would have shown up on a Canadian check. |
In addition to the issue of criminal behavior or intent to commit a crime not always being on a CRC, there is also the issue of fake papers. Because the CRC is handled by the applicant there is the opportunity for alteration or forgery. Immigration should collect a small fee and then make the request themselves and have the results sent directly to immigration.
They should do something similar with transcripts or letters of graduation. |
I completely agree. This whole issue of the CBC and medical exam is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction over a situation that cannot be solved by the new regs.
If they want to tighten VISA entry, they should do so on the E7 VISA. That is the VISA Mr. Neil was on. It is a general Entertainment VISA and is used to import prostitutes from Russian, China and other countries where prostitution is illegal but treated with the same measure of tolerance as it is in Korea.
The irony of all this is that 1000's of Koreans leave korea every year with the intention of committing acts that are illegal in Korea but legal in other countries. Yet, the Korean government does nothing to curtail their own citizen's illegal activites. In my opinion, Korea needs to clean up it's own act before they start pointing fingers at foreigners that MIGHT commit a crime.
This whole thing stinks. But having said all that, I also agree that even though on an F2, getting the CBC probably wouldn't hurt just incase a steller job came along. |
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mishlert

Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreans leave korea every year with the intention of committing acts that are illegal in Korea but legal in other countries. |
Not only Koreans do this, but most other nationalites as well. Who has not been Holland and smoked some weed knowing that back home you'd be busted?
As for the OP. Unless the job asks for them, F-2 visa holders don't have to have CBC and medical checks. |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| If they want to tighten VISA entry, they should do so on the E7 VISA. That is the VISA Mr. Neil was on. It is a general Entertainment VISA and is used to import prostitutes from Russian, China and other countries where prostitution is illegal but treated with the same measure of tolerance as it is in Korea. |
This is inaccurate. The E6 is the General Entertainment visa. An E7 is a visa to do a specific job, be it accountant, lawyer, business consultant, or teacher at a foreign school. To get an E7 you need a reference from the appropriate ministry for your work. Thus the ministry of Education should insist on these checks before issuing the reference - easy.
Don't lump me in with Russian and Chinese prostitutes, it's rude as they make more money than me. |
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winterwawa
Joined: 06 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreans leave korea every year with the intention of committing acts that are illegal in Korea but legal in other countries. |
Not only Koreans do this, but most other nationalites as well. Who has not been Holland and smoked some weed knowing that back home you'd be busted?
As for the OP. Unless the job asks for them, F-2 visa holders don't have to have CBC and medical checks. |
Been to the Neatherlands, but did not partake of the legal weed. In addition, even though I don't have statistics, it's my opinion that Koreans go abroad to participate in illegal actives more than other nationalities. It just seems more prevalent because even in there own country, Koreans have little to no respect for the law.
Go to Sydney, Canada, the Phillipines and many South American countries and you will find large numbers of Koreans opening gaming and entertainment centers that include gambling, prostitution and other activities that are illegal here. There is even a law on the books in Korea that says if a Korean is found to be leaving the country for the purpose of engaging in acts that are illegal in Korea, they can be fined up to 50mil won and imprisioned for up to 15 years. What other country has that kind of law on the books?
How many people from Canada, the USA, or any other country, go to a foreign country in order to open a business that is illegal in their own country? Not saying it doesn't happen, just that Koreans do it more than people from any other country.
To the OP. Sorry. I didn't mean to hijack your thread. |
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winterwawa
Joined: 06 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| If they want to tighten VISA entry, they should do so on the E7 VISA. That is the VISA Mr. Neil was on. It is a general Entertainment VISA and is used to import prostitutes from Russian, China and other countries where prostitution is illegal but treated with the same measure of tolerance as it is in Korea. |
This is inaccurate. The E6 is the General Entertainment visa. An E7 is a visa to do a specific job, be it accountant, lawyer, business consultant, or teacher at a foreign school. To get an E7 you need a reference from the appropriate ministry for your work. Thus the ministry of Education should insist on these checks before issuing the reference - easy.
Don't lump me in with Russian and Chinese prostitutes, it's rude as they make more money than me. |
Sorry about that. Got the VISA wrong. Point is, they are taking action against the people with the E2 VISA, when they should be targeting a different VISA category.
Guess we're all in the wrong business  |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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As I have said on two other threads, the public universities are likely going to require the same things that E-2's have to, except that it is going to the employer instead of immigration.
I agree wholeheartedly with wawa about having them show you where the new requirements are in the school's policy (and in fact one of my coworkers who is an F-5 said he'll do the same thing). Personally I'm opposed to having medical tests and questionaires. If it comes down to it, I'll leave rather then do it. |
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AwesomeA
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Location: Yeosu
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I have had my medical done, hopefully they'll take the Korean one. The only problem I have with the criminal record check is that it's impossible for me to get it before the job starts. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:32 am Post subject: Why open a can of worms? |
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(I am not making these statements to anger anyone, but I want to get out a few facts regarding the whole issue of the new regulations recently enacted by immigration)
For all of the F-visa holders who are receiving conflicting information regarding the criminal background checks. There is no valid reason on which to base your decision to have a CRC or other background check done. (If you want to do it then fine, but please don't come on the forum and stir up the pot because you think you are doing people a favor, you're not...)
Those who received their F-series visas had to go through some initial screening when they applied for and received their F-visa in the first place. By bowing to the whims of the Korean programs that are demanding this when it is not an immigration sponsored regulation, you are going to open a can of worms for all of us who have been living and working here for a long time with no criminal record or even a hint of breaking the law in Korea or elsewhere for that matter.
If your employer comes to you and tells you that a CRC is required, just inform then that you are on an F-visa and you are not required to go through this additional screening, end of story. I have been working for my school for three years and they pulled the same thing on me. I informed them that this is a policy intended for E2 holders, and that I was not required to do it because of my F-visa status. (They were fine with this answer, and didn't think I was trying to hide anything)
It really saddens me when people can be so controlled into thinking they must submit to every request just because the Koreans in charge think they can get away with making demands.
One of the reasons the F-series visa exist is so that people can live and work without having to go through the hassle of constant scrutiny with a more normal life just as they would have in their home country. Now to suggest that we fold to a demand that isn't even a regulation is putting us all back at the same place we started before moving up to our F-series visa. Maybe you feel comfortable with it, but it isn't necessary.
Think people, don't go looking for trouble when there is nothing to worry about. I am personally not guilty of any criminal or other law breaking offense, and I have worked hard to gain the privilege of the F-visa status I have. PLEASE, don't make it hard for all of us by doing unnecessary things.
(Also, if you are not an F-visa holder you should not be adding comments about the concerns of F-visa holders, just because you feel it is unfair for your given situation or not. We all appreciate the struggles you now face, but we all went through them just as you did before we were able to achieve the visa status we are privileged to hold.) |
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