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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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 Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: How should final pay day at hagwon go? Last day of contract |
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I am almost to my last day which is to be my final pay day. (Jan. 4th) My director was going to make an electronic deposit that would not post until the next day so I asked for cash since she wasn't willing to pay any earlier as she had teachers run with the money when paid several days early. She agreed and told me to be careful carrying the cash.
What should I do if I have any problems with payment? Is it reasonable to be paid on the very last day? Reason why I worry is these school directors always are looking for ways to not pay money. Many are corrupt in their business practices as I already discovered mine didn't pay all of pension, but the pension officer said my director is always late on paying the last few months of pension to NPS.
I also worry, because I am leaving which might be what my director is banking on to screw me out of money owed to me.
Should I go ahead and apply for the 10 day visa extension and see if I can delay my flight just in case I need to make a case at the labor board and tax service? What should I do? How should I approach the very end of contract?
Should I make an invoice of what I know my director owes me and give it to her next time I see her to get her reaction and agreement? |
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MarionG
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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I would definitely make a professional looking list of all monies owed, make a couple of copies, give her a copy, and ask her to go over it with you. If she agrees that these amounts are correct, then ask her to sign it.
If she pulls any "don't you trust me" nonsense, just say "Of course, but this is how business people do it, and I know you're a business person," or some flattering nonsense like that. |
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diablo3
Joined: 11 Sep 2004
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She should give you the money the latest before COB 4th Jan so that you at least have the chance to transfer the money overseas before you go overseas.
I hope the 'next day' does not mean 5th Jan.
She should also provide you information about your salary and tas paid so that the bank does not think you are paid illegally. (I hope you know how to do international transfers if that is what you intend to do) |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: How should final pay day at hagwon go? Last day of contr |
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| sojourner1 wrote: |
| I am almost to my last day which is to be my final pay day. (Jan. 4th) My director was going to make an electronic deposit that would not post until the next day |
She's a lying sack of trash. The money transfer is practically instantaneous here. If you happen to have your account in the same bank as her account, then it's instant.
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| so I asked for cash since she wasn't willing to pay any earlier as she had teachers run with the money when paid several days early. She agreed and told me to be careful carrying the cash. |
If you didn't personally witness those teachers "running early with the money," then, yet again, she's a lying sack of trash.
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| What should I do if I have any problems with payment? |
Get your visa extended by Immigration for two weeks or a month. Then file a complaint at the Labor Board. Find a friend in country who will let you stay with them or set yourself up in a goshiweon for the duration. If the Labor Board finds in your favor and the lying sack of trash still refuses to pay you, then you have to sue her in court.
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| Is it reasonable to be paid on the very last day? |
Darn skippy it is. There is absolutely no legitimate reason for an employer here to delay paying you any monthly pay on the last day of the month worked or pro-rated pay for a partial month to and on the last day worked.
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| Reason why I worry is these school directors always are looking for ways to not pay money. Many are corrupt in their business practices as I already discovered mine didn't pay all of pension, but the pension officer said my director is always late on paying the last few months of pension to NPS. |
That means that your boss is a lying sack of trash. She has been stealing from you for the year you've been working there.
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| I also worry, because I am leaving which might be what my director is banking on to screw me out of money owed to me. |
You're in a bad situation regarding getting pay from the lying sack of trash.
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Should I go ahead and apply for the 10 day visa extension and see if I can delay my flight just in case I need to make a case at the labor board and tax service? What should I do? How should I approach the very end of contract?
Should I make an invoice of what I know my director owes me and give it to her next time I see her to get her reaction and agreement? |
- Yes.
- Inform the lying sack of trash that you're onto her and are in your twelfth month of the contract and thus she will lose in the Labor Board and courts if she tries to pull a punitive firing on you and inform her of all the money she owes you and that it had better be in order no later than 10:00 a.m. on the last day of work; "in order" meaning "in the employee's bank account."
- Approach it hardline, with a "take no prisoners" attitude.
- Yes.
- Tell her that she can either do what is right or you will run her through the mill at the Labor Board, the Pension Office, the National Health Administration, and the Tax Office, and that you'll make thrice daily calls to the franchise headquarters about her until they get tired of you and her and yank their name off her building, thus causing her to lose students, aka income.
Didn't it bother you that she had prior teachers pull runners? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: Re: How should final pay day at hagwon go? Last day of contr |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| sojourner1 wrote: |
| I am almost to my last day which is to be my final pay day. (Jan. 4th) My director was going to make an electronic deposit that would not post until the next day |
She's a lying sack of trash. The money transfer is practically instantaneous here. If you happen to have your account in the same bank as her account, then it's instant.
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| so I asked for cash since she wasn't willing to pay any earlier as she had teachers run with the money when paid several days early. She agreed and told me to be careful carrying the cash. |
If you didn't personally witness those teachers "running early with the money," then, yet again, she's a lying sack of trash.
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| What should I do if I have any problems with payment? |
Get your visa extended by Immigration for two weeks or a month. Then file a complaint at the Labor Board. Find a friend in country who will let you stay with them or set yourself up in a goshiweon for the duration. If the Labor Board finds in your favor and the lying sack of trash still refuses to pay you, then you have to sue her in court.
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| Is it reasonable to be paid on the very last day? |
Darn skippy it is. There is absolutely no legitimate reason for an employer here to delay paying you any monthly pay on the last day of the month worked or pro-rated pay for a partial month to and on the last day worked.
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| Reason why I worry is these school directors always are looking for ways to not pay money. Many are corrupt in their business practices as I already discovered mine didn't pay all of pension, but the pension officer said my director is always late on paying the last few months of pension to NPS. |
That means that your boss is a lying sack of trash. She has been stealing from you for the year you've been working there.
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| I also worry, because I am leaving which might be what my director is banking on to screw me out of money owed to me. |
You're in a bad situation regarding getting pay from the lying sack of trash.
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Should I go ahead and apply for the 10 day visa extension and see if I can delay my flight just in case I need to make a case at the labor board and tax service? What should I do? How should I approach the very end of contract?
Should I make an invoice of what I know my director owes me and give it to her next time I see her to get her reaction and agreement? |
- Yes.
- Inform the lying sack of trash that you're onto her and are in your twelfth month of the contract and thus she will lose in the Labor Board and courts if she tries to pull a punitive firing on you and inform her of all the money she owes you and that it had better be in order no later than 10:00 a.m. on the last day of work; "in order" meaning "in the employee's bank account."
- Approach it hardline, with a "take no prisoners" attitude.
- Yes.
- Tell her that she can either do what is right or you will run her through the mill at the Labor Board, the Pension Office, the National Health Administration, and the Tax Office, and that you'll make thrice daily calls to the franchise headquarters about her until they get tired of you and her and yank their name off her building, thus causing her to lose students, aka income.
Didn't it bother you that she had prior teachers pull runners? |
Saying that other teachers pulled runners should be shameful to the Hagwan owner, and a red flag to you. Are you in a hurry to get out of this country? If you are not, get an extension and take care of your money business. When a person leaves a country like this, they are the most vulnerable to being ripped off as the payee knows that you are leaving. Never put yourself in that position. ( I did 12 years ago and am telling you from experience)
Bank transfers here are instantaneous as has been stated. And for the record, bank transfers to the states get there the SAME BUSINESS DAY as we are a half day ahead of New York, and the transfer is waiting for them in the morning. So to say a transfer to another Korean bank doesn�t get there until the next day is ridiculous. And having been here a full year you should know better anyway.
Your last day, January 4th is on a Friday. When do you finish your classes? It really gets down to a few hours that the bank closes before you finish your days work, and anyway, you are working FOUR DAYS into January so if you get paid by a calendar month, your pay was DUE on December 31st , despite what employers want to say.
Stick up for yourself but by all means get an extension. |
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ABC KID
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: How should final pay day at hagwon go? Last day of contr |
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Should I go ahead and apply for the 10 day visa extension and see if I can delay my flight just in case I need to make a case at the labor board and tax service? What should I do? How should I approach the very end of contract?
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You should ABSOLUTELY apply for the 10 day visa extension. The minor inconvenience of going to the immigration office is nothing compared to what COULD happen if you don't.
When I worked in a hagwon I renewed after my first contract. My bonus was paid one month late (I never had any problems with regular salary pay at other times). When I left at the end of the second contact I also had problems. Luckily I had purposely booked a flight for four days after my contract I had finished - I had a hunch they'd try and pull something...
Suddenly, the director decided he was going to pay all of my final salary, bonus and ticket money in cash but his wallet had gone missing! However, armed with a Korean wife I got the money one day late by bombarding him with phone calls and going to his hagwon every couple of hours until he miraculously 'found' his wallet again.
You may well not have any problems but if you do, permanently carrying the number of the labor office ready to thrust into the directors face as a warning will probably work wonders.
If she pays on time and you've delayed your flight, what's the problem? You can hang out with friends or just chill for a few days and sleep in a motel or something.
I don't recommend anyone in a hagwon ever booking a plane ticket for the day immediately after their contract is over.
Always better to be safe than sorry on Planet Hagwon  |
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gangpae
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Everything CentralCali said.
She's going to do the old - screw the waeguk out of every last penny she can on the last day of the contract because there is nothing they can do about it Trick.
I've had it done; And I'm sure others have had the same pleasurable experience. I'm sure Hagwon owners like to brag about stuff like this, so you must expect something similar.
It helps if you can have a friend or two come with you on the last day.
Always Remember: Hagwon owner/director = Zero ethics. |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Now my other questions I have today are:
1. Can the 10 day extension be done online or must I go the distance tomorrow to my local immigration office?
2. Can I postpone the flight my director purchased? Is the flight date locked in by the credit card purchaser or can I just call the airline?
3. Did it help me by telling my director I will be back to this same city in March to teach for another year?
4. Would a long standing hagwon care about me blacklisting it's reputation and calling my students' parents?
Six months ago, I spoke with the teacher I replaced a year ago who is teaching in the same city at a public school and he did get his final pay. I am sure the director tested him a few times with money too as he was very happy to be finished and said he wouldn't teach in another hagwon if his life depended on it. I agree since it involves too much stress and anxiety. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Make sure you buy a FAT tube of K-Y jelly for those days.  |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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soujourner,
I would physically go into immigration and get your 10 day extension. You should contact the airline directly about the flight, it depends on the airline's policy and the terms you bought the ticket under. If you already told the director you will be back, then don't sweat it.
Becareful about burning your bridges, it could come back to haunt you. It is possible they may not know though. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Never let the hagweon buy your ticket home unless you've already renewed with them and they're 100% sure you'll come back. It doesn't take much for them to cancel the ticket on you while you're on the way to the airport on a weekend.
The director doesn't care what you threaten her with. She'd already planned on stiffing you before she even heard your name. In all likelihood, she's stunned you stayed the distance for the whole year. The ol' lady knows she's dishonest but doesn't care. And she certainly doesn't care about you. |
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