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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:49 am Post subject: CIA: A Rogue Agency |
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If any doubt remains that Bush has lost all support of the CIA, this ought to dispel it. The Democrats also seem to be content to let this rogue agency ride roughshod so long as it suits their political purposes.
Subverting Bush at Langley
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/23/AR2007122302073.html
By Robert D. Novak
Monday, December 24, 2007; Page A15
Outrage over the CIA's destruction of interrogation tapes is but one element of the distress Republican intelligence watchdogs in Congress feel about the agency. "It is acting as though it is autonomous, not accountable to anyone," Rep. Peter Hoekstra, ranking Republican on the House intelligence committee, told me. That is his mildest language about the CIA. In carefully selected adjectives, Hoekstra calls it "incompetent, arrogant and political."
Chairman Silvestre Reyes and other Democrats on the intelligence committee join Hoekstra in demanding investigation into the tape destruction in the face of the administration's resistance, but the Republicans stand alone in protesting the CIA's defiant undermining of President Bush. In its clean bill of health for Iran on nuclear weapons development, the agency acted as an independent policymaker rather than an adviser. It has withheld from nearly all members of Congress information on the Israeli bombing of Syria in September. The U.S. intelligence community is deciding on its own what information the public shall learn.
Intelligence agencies, from Nazi Germany to present-day Pakistan, for better or for ill, have tended to break away from their governments. The Office of Strategic Services, the CIA's World War II predecessor, was infiltrated by communists. While CIA tactics were under liberal assault in Congress during the Watergate era, current accusations of a rogue agency come from Republicans who see a conscious undermining of Bush at Langley.
The CIA's contempt for the president was demonstrated during his 2004 reelection campaign when a senior intelligence officer, Paul R. Pillar, made off-the-record speeches around the country criticizing the invasion of Iraq. On Sept. 24, 2004, three days before my column exposed Pillar's activity, former representative Porter Goss arrived at Langley as Bush's handpicked director of central intelligence. Goss had resigned from Congress to accept Bush's mandate to clean up the CIA. But the president eventually buckled under fire from the old boys at Langley and their Democratic supporters in Congress, and Goss was sacked in May 2006.
Goss's successor, Gen. Michael V. Hayden, restored the status quo at the CIA and nurtured relations with congressional Democrats in preparation for their coming majority status. Hayden, an active-duty four-star Air Force general, first antagonized Hoekstra by telling Reyes what the Democrats wanted to hear about the Valerie Plame-CIA leak case.
There is no partisan divide on congressional outrage over the CIA's destruction of tapes showing interrogation of detainees suspected of terrorism. Hoekstra agrees with Reyes that the Bush administration has made a big mistake refusing to let officials testify in the impending investigation.
Republicans also complain that the National Intelligence Estimate concluding that Iran has shut down its nuclear weapons program was a case of the CIA flying solo, not part of the administration team. Donald M. Kerr, principal deputy director of national intelligence, said on Dec. 3 that the intelligence community "took responsibility for what portions of the NIE Key Judgments were to be declassified." In a Dec. 10 column for the Wall Street Journal, Hoekstra and Democratic Rep. Jane Harman, a senior member of the intelligence committee, wrote that the new NIE "does not explain why the 2005 NIE came to the opposite conclusion or what factors could drive Iran to 'restart' its nuclear-weapons program." (Six days later on "Fox News Sunday," Harman called the NIE "the best work product they've produced.")
Hoekstra is also at odds with Hayden over the CIA's refusal to reveal what it knows about the Sept. 6 Israeli bombing of Syria's nuclear complex. Only chairmen and ranking minority members of the intelligence committees, plus members of the congressional leadership, have been briefed. Other members of Congress, including those on the intelligence committees, were excluded. The intelligence authorization bill, passed by the House and awaiting final action in the Senate, blocks most of the CIA's funding "until each member of the Congressional Intelligence committees has been fully informed with respect to intelligence" about the Syria bombing.
In a June 21 address to the Society for Historians of American Foreign Relations, Hayden unveiled the "CIA's social contract with the American people." Hoekstra's explanation: "The CIA is rejecting accountability to the administration or Congress, saying it can go straight to the people." |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: |
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In light of the Valerie Plame affair (and his general oddness) I'm not sure Robert Novak is a credible source for if the sun came up this morning. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
In light of the Valerie Plame affair (and his general oddness) I'm not sure Robert Novak is a credible source for if the sun came up this morning. |
"The C.I.A.'s growth was 'likened to a malignancy' which the 'very high official was not sure even the White House could control... any longer.' 'If the United States ever experiences [an attempt at a coup to overthrow the Government] it will come from the C.I.A. and not the Pentagon.' The agency 'represents a tremendous power and total unaccountability to anyone.'
Arthur Krock The New York Times October 3, 1963
And some of you ask WHY the JFK Assassination is relevant today? |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
In light of the Valerie Plame affair (and his general oddness) I'm not sure Robert Novak is a credible source for if the sun came up this morning. |
Once again, Ya-ta, not only do you take issue with the messenger instead of addressing the message, but you also fail to relate the new information to what is already known, e.g. what I have posted about The Family Jewels and the recent release of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
In light of the Valerie Plame affair (and his general oddness) I'm not sure Robert Novak is a credible source for if the sun came up this morning. |
Once again, Ya-ta, not only do you take issue with the messenger instead of addressing the message, but you also fail to relate the new information to what is already known, e.g. what I have posted about The Family Jewels and the recent release of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran. |
It is not as easy to focus on the actual issue and facts as it is to attack the source or the poster. So now Novak , who has been around since Jesus, working in the mainstream media is not credible?
CIA leak scandal
Main articles: CIA leak scandal and CIA leak scandal timeline
In 2003, he identified Valerie Plame as a CIA "operative" in his column. Novak reported the information was provided to him by two "senior administration officials." These were eventually revealed to be Richard Armitage, with Novak assuming Karl Rove's comments as confirmation.[4] During 2005, there were questions in the press regarding the apparent absence of focus on Novak by the special prosecutor Fitzgerald and the grand jury, specifically questions suggesting he may have already testified about his sources despite insisting publicly that he would not do so. On July 12, 2006, Novak published a column at Human Events stating:
Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has informed my attorneys that, after two and one-half years, his investigation of the CIA leak case concerning matters directly relating to me has been concluded. That frees me to reveal my role in the federal inquiry that, at the request of Fitzgerald, I have kept secret. I have cooperated in the investigation while trying to protect journalistic privileges under the First Amendment and shield sources who have not revealed themselves. I have been subpoenaed by and testified to a federal grand jury. Published reports that I took the Fifth Amendment, made a plea bargain with the prosecutors or was a prosecutorial target were all untrue.[5]
When Richard Armitage admitted to being a source, Novak wrote an op-ed column describing Armitage's self-disclosure as "deceptive."[6]
Killian documents
Main articles: Killian documents, George W. Bush military service controversy
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Critics complain that Novak has been inconsistent as he insists it would violate journalistic ethics to reveal the source of the Plame leak, but later called on CBS to reveal the source of the memos that were part of the larger news story dealing with the president's alleged evasion of National Guard service. Other journalists have insisted that the CBS sources lost their right to confidentiality when the memos were proven to be forgeries. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
In light of the Valerie Plame affair (and his general oddness) I'm not sure Robert Novak is a credible source for if the sun came up this morning. |
You are nothing more than an old, fat troll. Eh? |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
In light of the Valerie Plame affair (and his general oddness) I'm not sure Robert Novak is a credible source for if the sun came up this morning. |
well his info on the matter was correct was it not? |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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bucheon bum wrote: |
Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
In light of the Valerie Plame affair (and his general oddness) I'm not sure Robert Novak is a credible source for if the sun came up this morning. |
well his info on the matter was correct was it not? |
According to Wikipedia? |
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