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highlander_76
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 Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:51 am Post subject: Korean pure blood nationalism? |
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| I've heard this alluded to in many posts, but what exactly is Korean pure blood nationalism? I've read in various posts that it is taught in schools, but that's all I've really been able to glean about it. Anyone out there got the scoop? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| Most Koreans are proud of their race. It sounds like a ridiculous thing to be proud of, but they tend to link race and nation here. They also believe that children of miscegenation are inferior, which is naive but not surprising considering their lack of exposure. |
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mercury
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| Some Japanese parents hire a private detective to see if their future son in law or daughter in law have korean blood. It is considered very 'low' to be part korean. |
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dalpengi
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| mercury wrote: |
| Some Japanese parents hire a private detective to see if their future son in law or daughter in law have korean blood. It is considered very 'low' to be part korean. |
So what is this proof of? [1]Koreans are inferior or [2] some Japanese are capable of being racist or [3] one man�s gold is another man�s poison?
I'd go with [3]... otherwise the post does not fit in with the thread. |
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mercury
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| dalpengi wrote: |
| mercury wrote: |
| Some Japanese parents hire a private detective to see if their future son in law or daughter in law have korean blood. It is considered very 'low' to be part korean. |
So what is this proof of? [1]Koreans are inferior or [2] some Japanese are capable of being racist or [3] one man�s gold is another man�s poison?
I'd go with [3]... otherwise the post does not fit in with the thread. |
BINGO!
but many would choose number one. |
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denistron
Joined: 21 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Here you go. Read until your eyes bleed.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_nationalism
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| Ethnic nationalism emphasizes descent and race, and as such is a form of racial nationalism. In Korea, ethnicity or blood is the key determinant in defining "Koreanness."[1] A recently conducted survey showed that 68.2% of respondents considered "blood" the most important criterion of defining the Korean nation, and 74.9% agreed that "Koreans are all brothers and sisters regardless of residence and ideology."[1] This then implies that North Koreans and overseas Koreans are included in this "Korean" group. |
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SeoulFinn
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| mercury wrote: |
| Some Japanese parents hire a private detective to see if their future son in law or daughter in law have korean blood. It is considered very 'low' to be part korean. |
This is news to me. I was aware of the practice of checking if someone's ancestors belonged to the burakumin "people of the hamlets" (a.k.a. eta, hinin "non-human") class. They were usually employed as leatherworkers, butchers, executioners and... police. LOL!
Burakumin were (and are) as Japanese as the Emperor himself. This did not stop some Japanese scholars to label them as being foreigners hundreds of years ago. Some even said that they might've been of Korean origin, which is quite funny as the Imperial House of Japan might originate from Baekche!
Umm, there is absolutely no discrimination in Japan. Nope. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| what exactly is Korean pure blood nationalism |
It's an 'official myth' the government used to help whip up nationalism. Some Koreans take it seriously, many do not. The down side of it is obvious. The up side to it is that it allows descendents of non-Koreans to be accepted (after a time). For example, I've met at least 2 people who say they are descendants of Confucius. Just last week one of my students said his ancestors came here from China 2,000 years ago. No one that I know of regard any of these people as less than 100% Korean.
Another of my students said his sister is living in New York and has become engaged to a white American. His parents are objecting to the marriage because she is Korean.
I doubt any more Koreans object to marriage outside the group than any other ethnic group. It's pretty common for parents to want their daughter to marry a 'good Jewish/Greek/Italian' boy without provoking charges of racism. There have been many reports of the recent phenomenon of importing brides from China, Vietnam, the Philippines. I think I read that 10% of marriages are now with 'outsiders'. In my opinion, some people on this board over-react to this pure blood thing when they attribute the thinking of an extremist to everyone. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| but many would choose number one. |
As you have mercury...many, many, many times through your posts here.
In fact...you relate very well to #1 as it makes you feel superior... |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| what exactly is Korean pure blood nationalism |
It's an 'official myth' the government used to help whip up nationalism. Some Koreans take it seriously, many do not. |
Pretty much the case. As globalization has increasingly crept in, you will hear less and less about this over the next, oh, maybe hundred years or more. Or you'll hear about it forever. Your grandchildren will have to put up with this nonsense in the home of their birth. Such is the Korean Wave. Who the hell knows?
Deeply ingrained, but it has traditionally within this country been a tool of the establishment to serve its own purposes. Don't fault the xenophobes, for they truly know not what they they do.
The flip side of the coin is that they are actually better than everyone else. Take your pick.
edit: Good morning, Homer! I was hoping you would join in. |
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Passions
Joined: 31 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Korean pure blood nationalism? |
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| highlander_76 wrote: |
| I've heard this alluded to in many posts, but what exactly is Korean pure blood nationalism? I've read in various posts that it is taught in schools, but that's all I've really been able to glean about it. Anyone out there got the scoop? |
The idea of pure-blooded nationalism is not exclusive to Koreans. Nazi Germany believed in it. And much of Japan today still believes in it. I would have to say that the Japanese are much more of racists than Koreans though. It may not seem like it though since the Japanese believe in showing a different face outwardly, which may come off as extremely polite (tatemae).
The Japanese and Koreans have a unique difference in regarding gyopos. The Koreans believe a Korean born in another country is still a Korean and should act like a Korean. The Japanese believe that only a true Japanese is born and bred in Japan, all others are merely gaijin.
In the past, Japanese families and employers would check the blood history of prospective suitors/employees of Korean ancestry. Having Korean blood meant you were inferior and not as trustworthy. Although, I am not sure if this check still exists today.
Also, remember that in Japan, all gaijin are required to have their gaijin card with them at all times. You could get into trouble with the police if you do not have one on you.
Plus, Korea is multi-cultural and diverse now. Arirang even had a show on it, so it is true.  |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| i hate ALL 'ethnic groups' equally... have you ever encountered an 'ethnic group' that ISN'T racist, illogical, self-serving, and undemocratic? aren't these characteristics the very essence of an 'ethnic group'? |
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highlander_76
Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies so far. Sounds so far like it's pretty typical ethnic nationalism, I just hadn't heard anything about it firsthand.
I'm particularly curious about to what extent it is taught in schools, as some have mentioned in other posts. Anyone have firsthand experience with this? |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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I met a Japanese girl who told me that her mother would disown her if she married a Korean.
Anyone who thinks beliefs about racial superiority in Japan have magically disappeared since Hiroshima and Nagasaki is a fool, in the same way Naziisms persists in Germany and ideas of foreign inferiority persist in Britain from the Empire.
OP, regarding blood in the literal sense, I have heard from foreign people many times that they have tried to donate blood in Korea and have been turned away.
I know a mixed-race (Korean/white American) boy and he is considered half-blood but does not, as far as I know, suffer any kind discrimination and is actually envied for his English ability and connection to America. There were some famous singers in the 70s too who were Korean/white American mixed, the children of US Military. |
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Passions
Joined: 31 May 2006
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Yeah, half white / half Korean mixes tend to do fairly well in Korea. The lighter your skin, the more higher class you are. This seems to be a universal concept, I believe. All around the world, the darkies are looked down.
Half black/ half Korean babies probably fair the worst. Although when they do win Super Bowl MVPs, Koreans tend to welcome them as returning heros.  |
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