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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:57 am    Post subject: SMOE vs EPIK vs GEPIK Reply with quote

This is a public service announcement brought to you by Junior.

Who gives the best deal? I've done my best to find out. Please contribute any other advantages/disadvantages you know.

1)SMOE (Seoul metropolitan Office of education)

Salary Table

Level 1 1.8 million Won Bachelor's

Level 2 2.0 million Won Bachelor's plus teaching certificate, or a degree in one of the following: Education, English, English Education, English Literature, or Linguistics. This level also includes Bachelor's holders with TEFL or TESL certification (min 100hrs), Master's degree holders and those with a Bachelor's and at least 1 full year of teaching English at an accredited institution.

Level 3 2.2 million Won Must qualify for Level 2 plus have 1 full year of English teaching experience and/or teacher certification with specialization in English education or a Masters in English.

Level 4 2.3 million Won Must qualify for Level 3 plus have at least 2 full years of English teaching experience or be a returning Level 2 S.M.O.E. teacher or have a Master's degree in TESOL/TEFL or English Education.

Level 4 2.4 million Won Employed with S.M.O.E for 1 year and a Master's in TESOL or English Education or a Bachelor's degree in English Education and at least 3 full years experience teaching at accredited institutions or teacher certification with specilization in English education and at least at least 2 full years teaching at accredited institutions.

Level 5 2.5 million Won please contact our office for specific information
Level 6 2.6 million Won please contact our office for specific information
Level 7 2.7 million Won please contact our office for specific information

source:
http://www.footprintsrecruiting.com/contentdetails.php?contentid=1530&chapter=361&cat=546&cid=&lid=


EPIK

Level 1+ (2,5- 2.7 M won)
Requirements:Two consecutive years as a Level One EPIK ELI within the same POE

Level 1 (2.3-2.5M won)
Basic requirements plus 2 years of teaching experience plus Additional Requirement(s):
MA degree
Teacher's certificate for Elementary or Secondary school
TESOL/TEFL/CELTA certificate (100+ course hours)

Level 2 (2.0-2.2M won)
Basic requirements plus Additional Requirement(s)
MA degree
Teacher's certificate for Elementary or Secondary school
TESOL/TEFL/CELTA certificate (100+ course hours)
BA degree with one year full-time English teaching experience

Level 3 (1.8-2.0 M won)
Basic Requirements

(BA degree)

source:
http://epik.knue.ac.kr/sub2/sub2_2_2.asp

GEPIK

Level 1 (2.3 M won)
*A Teacher's Certificate for elementary or secondary school with at least two years of full-time teaching experience at accredited institutions .
* An English education certificate as TESOL/TEFL comprised of a minimum of 100 course hours with at least two years of full-time teaching experience at accredited institutions.
*A Master's degree with at least two years of full-time teaching experience at accredited institutions

Level 2 (2.0M won)
* A Teacher's certificate for elementary or secondary school
* An English education certificate as TESOL/TEFL comprised of a minimum of 100 course hours with a Master's degree
* A Bachelor's degree with at least one year of full-time English teaching experience at accredited institutions

Level 3 (1.8 M won)
A Bachelor's degree

Source:http://www.gochang.es.kr/gepik/web/qual.php



However, this still leaves questions. If you switch from one organisation to the other, does your exp count? Is it the same POE?
Do they all include an obligation to do summer camp?

And the Winner is!: EPIK on pay, but is it located in rural areas?
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice summary..hopefully it will help people make a decision in terms of public schools.

There have been some pretty bad things said about GEPIK lately. Not sure how much of it's true.

I'm under the Incheon English Program, which has the same pay scale as GEPIK.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Milwaukiedave"]

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There have been some pretty bad things said about GEPIK lately. Not sure how much of it's true.


I remember EPIk getting savaged on here a little while ago too. O guess they all have their advantages and disadvantages.

Quote:
I'm under the Incheon English Program, which has the same pay scale as GEPIK.


Then you might be better off jumping ship to EPIK once you've done 2 years exp with GEPIK?
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MorgolKing



Joined: 18 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm under the Incheon program too. I think they're really good right now b/c they haven't "progressed" to the levels of GEPIK and SMOE yet in terms of realizing how much they can abuse newbies. But I wouldn't be surprised to see them moving in that direction of having a high turn over rate each year just to pay low salaries and abuse new teachers.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: SMOE vs EPIK vs GEPIK Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
This is a public service announcement brought to you by Junior.

Who gives the best deal? I've done my best to find out. Please contribute any other advantages/disadvantages you know.

1)SMOE (Seoul metropolitan Office of education)

Salary Table

Level 1 1.8 million Won Bachelor's

Level 2 2.0 million Won Bachelor's plus teaching certificate, or a degree in one of the following: Education, English, English Education, English Literature, or Linguistics. This level also includes Bachelor's holders with TEFL or TESL certification (min 100hrs), Master's degree holders and those with a Bachelor's and at least 1 full year of teaching English at an accredited institution.

Level 3 2.2 million Won Must qualify for Level 2 plus have 1 full year of English teaching experience and/or teacher certification with specialization in English education or a Masters in English.

Level 4 2.3 million Won Must qualify for Level 3 plus have at least 2 full years of English teaching experience or be a returning Level 2 S.M.O.E. teacher or have a Master's degree in TESOL/TEFL or English Education.

Level 4 2.4 million Won Employed with S.M.O.E for 1 year and a Master's in TESOL or English Education or a Bachelor's degree in English Education and at least 3 full years experience teaching at accredited institutions or teacher certification with specilization in English education and at least at least 2 full years teaching at accredited institutions.

Level 5 2.5 million Won please contact our office for specific information
Level 6 2.6 million Won please contact our office for specific information
Level 7 2.7 million Won please contact our office for specific information

source:
http://www.footprintsrecruiting.com/contentdetails.php?contentid=1530&chapter=361&cat=546&cid=&lid=


EPIK

Level 1+ (2,5- 2.7 M won)
Requirements:Two consecutive years as a Level One EPIK ELI within the same POE

Level 1 (2.3-2.5M won)
Basic requirements plus 2 years of teaching experience plus Additional Requirement(s):
MA degree
Teacher's certificate for Elementary or Secondary school
TESOL/TEFL/CELTA certificate (100+ course hours)

Level 2 (2.0-2.2M won)
Basic requirements plus Additional Requirement(s)
MA degree
Teacher's certificate for Elementary or Secondary school
TESOL/TEFL/CELTA certificate (100+ course hours)
BA degree with one year full-time English teaching experience

Level 3 (1.8-2.0 M won)
Basic Requirements

(BA degree)

source:
http://epik.knue.ac.kr/sub2/sub2_2_2.asp

GEPIK

Level 1 (2.3 M won)
*A Teacher's Certificate for elementary or secondary school with at least two years of full-time teaching experience at accredited institutions .
* An English education certificate as TESOL/TEFL comprised of a minimum of 100 course hours with at least two years of full-time teaching experience at accredited institutions.
*A Master's degree with at least two years of full-time teaching experience at accredited institutions

Level 2 (2.0M won)
* A Teacher's certificate for elementary or secondary school
* An English education certificate as TESOL/TEFL comprised of a minimum of 100 course hours with a Master's degree
* A Bachelor's degree with at least one year of full-time English teaching experience at accredited institutions

Level 3 (1.8 M won)
A Bachelor's degree

Source:http://www.gochang.es.kr/gepik/web/qual.php



However, this still leaves questions. If you switch from one organisation to the other, does your exp count? Is it the same POE?
Do they all include an obligation to do summer camp?

And the Winner is!: EPIK on pay, but is it located in rural areas?


I don't know about the other organizations but the stated qualifications for GEPIK are inaccurate. I know at least two people who work there who are level one (or so their contracts states, yet they only have a B.A and TESOL cert. And one is on 2.3 million the other on 2.4
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: SMOE vs EPIK vs GEPIK Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
I don't know about the other organizations but the stated qualifications for GEPIK are inaccurate. I know at least two people who work there who are level one (or so their contracts states, yet they only have a B.A and TESOL cert. And one is on 2.3 million the other on 2.4


I don't know, it could be that based on their experience they got bumped up a level. Who knows? Like I said I'm not in GEPIK, but the program I am in has pretty much the same criteria.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:15 pm    Post subject: Re: SMOE vs EPIK vs GEPIK Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
* An English education certificate as TESOL/TEFL comprised of a minimum of 100 course hours with at least two years of full-time teaching experience at accredited institutions.


Although worded terribly, this means that anyone, with just a BA, a TESOL certificate and 2 years experience is actually level one. I would be level one next year and that is all I have.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: SMOE vs EPIK vs GEPIK Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
Junior wrote:
* An English education certificate as TESOL/TEFL comprised of a minimum of 100 course hours with at least two years of full-time teaching experience at accredited institutions.


Although worded terribly, this means that anyone, with just a BA, a TESOL certificate and 2 years experience is actually level one. I would be level one next year and that is all I have.


That's what I am (well, substitute BA for BCS)
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Junior"]
Milwaukiedave wrote:


Quote:
There have been some pretty bad things said about GEPIK lately. Not sure how much of it's true.


I remember EPIk getting savaged on here a little while ago too. O guess they all have their advantages and disadvantages.

Quote:
I'm under the Incheon English Program, which has the same pay scale as GEPIK.


Then you might be better off jumping ship to EPIK once you've done 2 years exp with GEPIK?


Maybe, but as soon as my contract is done I'm out of here. That will put me at 3 1/2 years. I don't know, so far the Incheon program has been pretty good.
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xox



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Bundang

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've never seen SMOE recruiters. or any recruiter who has offered a SMOE program.
suggestions?
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MorgolKing



Joined: 18 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think SMOE might be done hiring for their August positions and won't be hiring again till next winter/spring?? Not sure...but I've seen lots of SMOE advertisements the past couple months leading up till now. Search the boards or go to the smoe site.

http://etis.sen.go.kr/
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mods, can we make this a sticky?
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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xox wrote:
i've never seen SMOE recruiters. or any recruiter who has offered a SMOE program.
suggestions?


I recently went for an interview with SMOE - the gov't officer who interviewed me was Kelly Ye - either it was one of her OFF days - or she is just a total B***H....

Lets just say - I NEVER took the job.........
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MorgolKing



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey I had an interview with Kelly too...ditto I didn't really like the vibe I got from SMOE

*I want to edit what I said in light of the next poster's comments. I found Kelly to be very friendly and honest as well. I just felt a bad vibe from the SMOE program as whole. Specifically some of the stories I've heard coupled with the fact that my recruiter, before my interview, told me that SMOE was looking for teachers with no experience b/c they've had problems with people running away on the job.


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tek75



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't speak for the othe people, but I did want to mention that I had a telephone interview with Kelly from SMOE (I'm assuming she's the same Kelly that's been referred to before), and I found her to be very forthright as well as very nice. I didn't get any bad vibes from her, and I'm very excited about teaching for the SMOE program starting next month.
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