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gkim06
Joined: 30 Oct 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:23 am Post subject: Newbie jobs? |
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I recently graduated from a university and, for awhile now, have been considering teaching jobs abroad in Korea (i know, nothing new).
But to be completely honest here, I don't have much teaching experience (with the exception of private tutoring and KUMON) and woud like to see if it is something I can and would like to do.
It seems that most of the jobs posted on this site or discussed about in these forums are for certified or experienced teachers. Are there any jobs that are more temporary or private tutoring types for someone without a lot of experience? (I see a lot of formal classroom setting type of jobs or university jobs on this site)
Also I recently read a post about f-4 visa holders being able to find 6-month contracts? Is that true? Where can I find out about that?
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: Job |
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It seems that most of the jobs posted on this site or discussed about in these forums are for certified or experienced teachers. |
Not true. I started last year, with zero teaching experience. And my degree had precious little to do with teaching.
March is peak recruitment month. You''ll have no problem getting a job. I'd suggest a Pubic School, but if possible, ask to speak to the foreign English teacher before you decide. EPIK, SMOE & GEPIK are all offering jobs. A private school or hagwon may expect you to provide your own textbooks. A PS provides English version textbooks, or ought to.
You'll need:
* Original or notarised degree (apostilled)
* Criminal Record Check (apostilled)
* Medical check (TB /Aids/Hepatitis)
* original signatures of recommendations of 2 previous employers
* Sealed transcripts, & spare copies for your employer
* Passport
* E2 Visa
Keep searching the Daves ESL threads, as details appear to be changing almost weekly.
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gkim06
Joined: 30 Oct 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Job |
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Thank you =) I'm glad to hear that I haven't missed the big recruitment month; that would have probably made my search even more difficult.
So, teaching a classroom is actually alright for people without much teaching experience? Actually, if you don't mind me asking, what do we do in the classroom exactly? And are we teaching by ourselves?
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It seems that most of the jobs posted on this site or discussed about in these forums are for certified or experienced teachers. |
Not true. I started last year, with zero teaching experience. And my degree had precious little to do with teaching.
March is peak recruitment month. You''ll have no problem getting a job. I'd suggest a Pubic School, but if possible, ask to speak to the foreign English teacher before you decide. EPIK, SMOE & GEPIK are all offering jobs. A private school or hagwon may expect you to provide your own textbooks. A PS provides English version textbooks, or ought to.
You'll need:
* Original or notarised degree (apostilled)
* Criminal Record Check (apostilled)
* Medical check (TB /Aids/Hepatitis)
* original signatures of recommendations from previos employers
* Sealed transcripts, & spare copies for your employer
* Passport
* E2 Visa
Keep searching the Daves ESL threads, as details appear to be changing almost weekly. |
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American_Maverick
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Job |
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gkim06 wrote: |
Thank you =) I'm glad to hear that I haven't missed the big recruitment month; that would have probably made my search even more difficult.
So, teaching a classroom is actually alright for people without [ANY] teaching experience? Actually, if you don't mind me asking, what do we do in the classroom exactly? And are we teaching by ourselves?
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Fixed it for you. And the answer is yes.
I'd hazard a guess that what you would be doing in the classroom is teaching english.  |
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stillnotking

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Location: Oregon, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Job |
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chris_J2 wrote: |
I'd suggest a Pubic School |
Really? I've heard bad things about what they do to newbies in Pubic School. |
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gkim06
Joined: 30 Oct 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Job |
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American_Maverick wrote: |
gkim06 wrote: |
Thank you =) I'm glad to hear that I haven't missed the big recruitment month; that would have probably made my search even more difficult.
So, teaching a classroom is actually alright for people without [ANY] teaching experience? Actually, if you don't mind me asking, what do we do in the classroom exactly? And are we teaching by ourselves?
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Fixed it for you. And the answer is yes.
I'd hazard a guess that what you would be doing in the classroom is teaching english.  |
LoL Okay, you got me there. I've heard that some teachers have a co-teacher/korean teacher and others have said that you are alone and have to lead the lesson yourself. Which one is it? And if you have a co-teacher/korean teacher...what are you supposed to do if they're ... teaching? |
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American_Maverick
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Job |
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gkim06 wrote: |
American_Maverick wrote: |
gkim06 wrote: |
Thank you =) I'm glad to hear that I haven't missed the big recruitment month; that would have probably made my search even more difficult.
So, teaching a classroom is actually alright for people without [ANY] teaching experience? Actually, if you don't mind me asking, what do we do in the classroom exactly? And are we teaching by ourselves?
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Fixed it for you. And the answer is yes.
I'd hazard a guess that what you would be doing in the classroom is teaching english.  |
LoL Okay, you got me there. I've heard that some teachers have a co-teacher/korean teacher and others have said that you are alone and have to lead the lesson yourself. Which one is it? And if you have a co-teacher/korean teacher...what are you supposed to do if they're ... teaching? |
I am glad you got my sense of humor without getting mad! I am about to start a public teaching position myself for the first time in March, so I'll let some of the "vets" answer your questions.
I WILL say that based on the interviews I've had, most ps provide a co-teacher but a few do not. YOU do the teaching...the co-teacher is there to assist, perhaps control behavior and translate certain things into Korean for you or the students. It can be hit-or-miss on whether you get a great co-teacher of a sucky one. Veterans feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I've gathered from reading here and elsewhere. |
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sargx

Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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I will let you in on my experience. I started in Dec. My first teaching job and I took it at a public high school.
My normal schedule is something like this:
12 classes a week I teach solo (there is a teacher in the back who does paperwork and sometimes hits a student on a head.)
6 classes a week I teach with a co-teacher (you basically read passages, try to explain words in English, sometimes talk about culture)
The class size is roughly 35 students. About 30% of your class will sleep through it from beginning to end, no matter how funny or ruggedly handsome you are.
There is very little in terms of guidance. Basically, they say: "Go teach." No book, no goals, no requirements. Also, students are on very different levels. Some students can't say their A,B,C's, and other students can come up with very creative insults. So with no experience I'm presented with: "go teach." I also didn't go to the workshops since I came in December.
I'm the only foreigner here, 3 English teachers, and a few speakers of Konglish (which I am fluent). So this could be a lot of pressure to some people, some crack after a few months.
You need to make the best of it. The last teacher here was absolutely miserable and ran away. I took over the same position with the same variables and love it.
I'd recommend to make a few Korean friends before you come over. You might need a safety net. |
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gkim06
Joined: 30 Oct 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Job |
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THanks for the info. I think I'm going to try to find a job that allows for a smaller teacher-student ratio...are hagwon classes like that?
Thanks for your help  |
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pugwall
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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A good hagwon is great for first timers as you have a better idea of what you are doing and the books are clearer and mostly idiot proof. You are more likely to get feeback at a hagwon to help you improve as well. Public school could be lonely if you had no idea what you are doing and no friends already in Korea. |
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gkim06
Joined: 30 Oct 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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pugwall wrote: |
A good hagwon is great for first timers as you have a better idea of what you are doing and the books are clearer and mostly idiot proof. You are more likely to get feeback at a hagwon to help you improve as well. Public school could be lonely if you had no idea what you are doing and no friends already in Korea. |
How does one find a hagwon job? Is there another place to find them online or are public schools and university positions the only ones you can find online? |
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ardis
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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gkim06 wrote: |
pugwall wrote: |
A good hagwon is great for first timers as you have a better idea of what you are doing and the books are clearer and mostly idiot proof. You are more likely to get feeback at a hagwon to help you improve as well. Public school could be lonely if you had no idea what you are doing and no friends already in Korea. |
How does one find a hagwon job? Is there another place to find them online or are public schools and university positions the only ones you can find online? |
..did you look at the main site for Dave's? |
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gkim06
Joined: 30 Oct 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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ardis wrote: |
gkim06 wrote: |
pugwall wrote: |
A good hagwon is great for first timers as you have a better idea of what you are doing and the books are clearer and mostly idiot proof. You are more likely to get feeback at a hagwon to help you improve as well. Public school could be lonely if you had no idea what you are doing and no friends already in Korea. |
How does one find a hagwon job? Is there another place to find them online or are public schools and university positions the only ones you can find online? |
..did you look at the main site for Dave's? |
Main site? You mean the Job post link? If so, yes. If not, then I guess I'll go back and check again!  |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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"...what do we do in the classroom exactly? And are we teaching by ourselves?"
By law, you are not supposed to teach alone in a Korean Public School, although it does happen. In both my Elementary School & Middle Schools, I had/ have Korean Co-Teachers present, who are fluent in English.
The first couple of weeks, my coteacher just asked me to introduce myself, & tell the kids where I came from, a little about my country, & the animals there. There were set textbooks in English, that were easy to follow. If they've been lost, ask the school to replace them. Hagwons have smaller class sizes but it's more hit & miss if you get placed in a good hagwon. There are many bad hagwons out there. There are also some bad public schools which is why its a good idea to ask to speak to the native speaker English teacher if possible. Even then you could take what they say with a grain of salt. Some English teachers whine about the most trivial things.
Try to 'dumb down' big words like 'immediately" to "now", as just one example. And bear in mind, that there are usually 3 levels of student ability, in every class: high, medium, & low grade. I've made the mistake in the past, of just teaching for the high or A grade students, & allowing the 'c' or low grade students to fall behind.
I've attended both Gepik & Epik induction courses, & they do hand out lots of written material to assist teaching. |
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gkim06
Joined: 30 Oct 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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chris_J2 wrote: |
"...what do we do in the classroom exactly? And are we teaching by ourselves?"
By law, you are not supposed to teach alone in a Korean Public School, although it does happen. In both my Elementary School & Middle Schools, I had/ have Korean Co-Teachers present, who are fluent in English.
The first couple of weeks, my coteacher just asked me to introduce myself, & tell the kids where I came from, a little about my country, & the animals there. There were set textbooks in English, that were easy to follow. If they've been lost, ask the school to replace them. Hagwons have smaller class sizes but it's more hit & miss if you get placed in a good hagwon. There are many bad hagwons out there. There are also some bad public schools which is why its a good idea to ask to speak to the native speaker English teacher if possible. Even then you could take what they say with a grain of salt. Some English teachers whine about the most trivial things.
Try to 'dumb down' big words like 'immediately" to "now", as just one example. And bear in mind, that there are usually 3 levels of student ability, in every class: high, medium, & low grade. I've made the mistake in the past, of just teaching for the high or A grade students, & allowing the 'c' or low grade students to fall behind.
I've attended both Gepik & Epik induction courses, & they do hand out lots of written material to assist teaching. |
I'll check out those two companies. Granted, I have heard some bad things about them, but I'll check it out for myself. Thanks for the 'dumb down' tip...it's a good thing to keep in mind. |
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