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Snowmeow
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 Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: Canada going to the dogs |
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There have been a number of brutal killings just in the past week, in Toronto area and elsewhere and this most recent news story is something that happened in Edmonton
I might be turning into an old geezer in my thinking that the next generation is the end of western civilization but it does seem to me that Asia is going to kick North America's ass eventually
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2008/01/05/4754174-sun.html
Cat killed in microwaveFour teens up on multiple charges
By BROOKES MERRITT, SUN MEDIA
Four teens who recently broke into a Camrose home put a cat in a microwave and cooked it to death, Camrose police said yesterday.
The horrific animal torture has sent shockwaves through the city southeast of Edmonton and incensed animal rights activists.
"In over 25 years of policing, I've never come across anything like this before," said Camrose police Insp. Lee Foreman. "It's disgusting and it's very upsetting for all the families involved."
(full story at the link) |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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'70s, '80s, '90s and today... teenagers back home have for a long time been a source of great violence: many kids fear getting beat up when they see a few teenage boys together, an everpresent danger exists, which grown-ups seem blind to most of the time, many of them forgetting how it used to be when they were young. Teenagers simply have turned their violence more and more away from other kids and animals and toward old people and other weak adults. It's not the end of civilization, it's a continuation of a longstanding practice.
I get the impression that Korea is different, it feels safer. But then again it could be that Koreans are simply a couple of decades behind the times, with teeangers beating up other children, hence adults like us usually don't notice. I have heard a few stories of what a group of Korean youth have done to some individuals. Because of the hierarchy and values of Korean society, teenagers here are less likely to turn their violence on older people. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| There's a thread elsewhere about the drinking culture in New Zealand that might apply here just as well. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Canada going to the dogs |
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| Snowmeow wrote: |
There have been a number of brutal killings just in the past week, in Toronto area and elsewhere and this most recent news story is something that happened in Edmonton
I might be turning into an old geezer in my thinking that the next generation is the end of western civilization but it does seem to me that Asia is going to kick North America's ass eventually
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2008/01/05/4754174-sun.html
Cat killed in microwaveFour teens up on multiple charges
By BROOKES MERRITT, SUN MEDIA
Four teens who recently broke into a Camrose home put a cat in a microwave and cooked it to death, Camrose police said yesterday.
The horrific animal torture has sent shockwaves through the city southeast of Edmonton and incensed animal rights activists.
"In over 25 years of policing, I've never come across anything like this before," said Camrose police Insp. Lee Foreman. "It's disgusting and it's very upsetting for all the families involved."
(full story at the link) |
You seem to be suggesting that an incident of violence against animals in the West is an indication of how Asia will surpass eventually. However, the difference here is that Western nations actually have quite a large number of people who care at all about animal rights and most of Asia is perfectly and totally indifferent.
Maybe you need to head to SE Seoul and walk around the dog market. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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One man's crime, another man's lunch.
That aside, some crimes in Canada are jusk sick. |
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Snowmeow
Joined: 03 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Canada going to the dogs |
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| thepeel wrote: |
You seem to be suggesting that an incident of violence against animals in the West is an indication of how Asia will surpass eventually. However, the difference here is that Western nations actually have quite a large number of people who care at all about animal rights and most of Asia is perfectly and totally indifferent.
Maybe you need to head to SE Seoul and walk around the dog market. |
You make a good point about animal cruelty here and there. I've just spent too much time watching local news while the schools are out for Christmas holiday and the recent violence has affected my thinking. The neighborhood I currently live in while at home is also a bit threatening at times. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: |
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I think it is wise to remember that media spends a disproportionate amount of time covering crime, for various reasons (mostly because it is easy). The perception of crime in an area and the reality of crime are often very, very different.
Crime in Canada has been decreasing since the early 80's (with a small increase last year). In the United States, crime is now at mid-1960's levels (less homicide). There is less teen pregnancy, addiction, divorce and other measures of deviance.
The picture ain't so bad in North America. |
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ultra
Joined: 09 Nov 2007
Location: Book Han Gook Land Of Opportunity
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ultra
Joined: 09 Nov 2007
Location: Book Han Gook Land Of Opportunity
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
In the United States, crime is now at mid-1960's levels (less homicide). There is less teen pregnancy, addiction, divorce and other measures of deviance.
The picture ain't so bad in North America. |
USA world leader in divorce
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_div_rat-people-divorce-rate |
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thepeel
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This economist article informed my previous post:
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�DUMB and Dumber�, one of the modern classics of American comedy, tells the story of an affable idiot, Lloyd Christmas, who falls in love with a classy beauty, Mary Swanson. In one scene he asks her the chances of �a guy like you and a girl like me� ending up together. The answer is �Not good�. �Not good like one out of a hundred?� asks Lloyd. �More like one out of a million,� Mary replies. Lloyd pauses for a moment, then shoots back, �So you're telling me there's a chance?�
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But the past five years have produced a dramatic souring in the country's mood. Three-quarters of Americans now think that the country is �on the wrong track�. The number of people who are hostile to trade and immigration has risen sharply, as has the number who think that America should engage less in world affairs. Trust in government is half what it was in 2001. Both the president and Congress have bargain-basement approval ratings. And people are increasingly pessimistic about the future. Barely a third thinks that their children will be better off than they themselves are. The reason why the man with the message of hope, Barack Obama, and the man who hails from Hope, Mike Huckabee, are doing so well is that people think hope is in short supply.
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There is certainly no shortage of bad news. But coming apart? Decomposing? The current issue of Commentary�a magazine hardly noted for its sunny disposition�contains an excellent article, �Crime, Drugs, Welfare and Other Good News� by Peter Wehner (a former senior White House aide) and Yuval Levin, which shows why Mr Buchanan is talking through his hat.
Both violent crime and property crime have declined dramatically since 1973. New York City will probably notch up less than 500 murders this year, the lowest since the early 1960s (the figure for 1990 was 2,262). Teenagers are cleaning up their act. Teenage drug use has fallen by 23% overall since the 1990s, and by 50% for LSD and ecstasy. Teens are drinking less, smoking less, having sex less and dropping out of school less. The birth rate for 15-19-year-olds has fallen by 35% since 1991. At 10%, the high-school drop-out rate is at a 30-year low.
Welfare reform is working. The welfare caseload has dropped by 60% since 1994. A series of social evils�overall poverty, child poverty, child hunger�have all decreased. Employment figures for single mothers have surged. The number of abortions fell from over 1.6m in 1990 to fewer than 1.3m this year. The divorce rate is at its lowest level since 1970. Education scores are up.
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What about Mr Buchanan's particular bugbear, immigration? For all the passion that this is igniting, America is blessedly free from the alienated immigrant populations that so trouble France and other European countries. America still has a genius for employing and assimilating newcomers. English classes are crammed and English-language tuition is a giant business. And America's ability to suck in and assimilate immigrants is part of a bigger and better story. European economies face profound long-term problems because of their citizens' reluctance to reproduce. Americans have the highest fertility rate of any rich country. That is a long-term vote of confidence in the country's future. |
http://economist.com
Bush has been a disaster, and Iraq has no end in sight. Civil liberties are being eroded and inequality is increasing. But that isn't the full picture. The problems can be faced by a competent new president and the county is doing surprisingly well in many ways. For all the pissing and moaning about America (and Canada, as these trends are mirrored up north) the whole picture is sill positive. |
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jlb
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I always get annoyed when people take things out of proportion. It's mostly because of the focus on the negative in almost all sources of news. Like most people in Canada get along pretty well, having a peaceful, happy existence that is in no way tainted by rampant crime and crazy people, as the OP seems to suggest (going to the dogs?).
Another example is the USA's war on terror. Terror is not really so rampant but by the news reporting it ALL the time, it starts to seem that way. The reality is most (99.99% ???) Americans live their life, pretty happily, not under the influence of these "evil" people out to get "innocent" Americans.
News sources: time to start reporting the positives! Kind of like the self-perpetuating thing. |
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Faunaki
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Edmonton is a violent place and is going to the dogs or always has been. My sisters live there and they always tell me about people getting the snot beaten out of them. One sis lives in the north west - axe killings, ect. are normal. What a shit hole!
My sister was choked out by a huge guy cause she tried to protect her husband who got the living shit beat out of him by a group of fucks. My sister is like 5'3 110 pounds. This was on Whyte Ave - a busy place.
There are times when I wish I had a machine gun ........ |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: |
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Edmonton had 33 homicides in 2007. Most drug or gang related.
33. Out of 730,000 people. Axe murders are common, yeah. |
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Faunaki
Joined: 15 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Edmonton had 33 homicides in 2007. Most drug or gang related.
33. Out of 730,000 people. Axe murders are common, yeah. |
What are you a cop or something? You can just pull stats up like that? Have you ever lived there before or are you just talking out of your ass? |
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thepeel
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I typed "homicides in Edmonton 2007" into www.google.com and found the number. Then I typed "wikipedia Edmonton" into www.google.com and found the population.
Crime is over emphasized by media, and over represented by people involved in "illegal drugs". Street violence is concentrated around bars, like Whyte Ave in Edmonton.
I have no emotional need to "defend" Edmonton or Canada, though both are my home. But a pet peeve of mine is how people think that crime (in Canada or the USA) is much worse than it is. |
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