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Ya-ta Boy
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 Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:43 am Post subject: Kucinich now seeking New Hampshire recount |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080111/ap_po/kucinich_nh_recount_1
My first reaction is: The UFO crowd now wants a recount.
My second: At least this one is a more credible call than the silliness of a couple of yahoos from the Obama and Paul campaigns.
It IS an important issue. My objection so far is that any time RP gets involved, it discredits the issue. Sorry, but you can only call 'wolf!' so many times before people stop paying attention. If the RP people on this board hadn't beached and moaned every third second about one thing and another... |
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igotthisguitar
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: |
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I agree. Kucinich is entitled to a recount. After all, half of his supporters and would-be constituency were too busy trying to divert that meteor from hitting Mars to have their voices heard.  |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Chip in for the recount:
Go to www.grannywarrior.com.
It seems Ron Paul may have actually gotten 20% of the vote. If the recount results in him getting a delegate, under NH law the recount money is returned and so you may just get back your money. This recount will be for all candidates. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| I welcome an open recount process. |
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Beeyee
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Kucinich now seeking New Hampshire recount |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
It IS an important issue. My objection so far is that any time RP gets involved, it discredits the issue |
How? |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| I agree. Kucinich is entitled to a recount. After all, half of his supporters and would-be constituency were too busy trying to divert that meteor from hitting Mars to have their voices heard. |
Get real.
Both parties have wackos.
UFO's... Democrats
Jesus in America 1800's...Republicans
One thing, however.
Which is more plausible?
The fact that extra-terrestrial life exists, or that Joseph Smith got the divine power to translate scripts from Jesus, who was in America from 600 B.C. to A.D. 421? |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| I welcome an open recount process. |
But do you welcome people like Bacaspar and Igotthisguitar and their worldviews and suspicions driving such a process...?
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| The Ohio congressman cited "serious and credible reports, allegations and rumors" about the integrity of Tuesday results...Kucinich alluded to online reports alleging disparities... |
I find this infinitely more credible than Kucinich's allegations and rumors...
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Scanlon said his office had received several phone calls since Tuesday, mostly from outside the state, questioning the results. New Hampshire's voting machines are not linked in any way, which Scanlon says reduce the likelihood of tampering with results on a statewide level. Also, the results can be checked against paper ballots.
"I think people from out of state don't completely understand how our process works...the votes that were cast on election day were accurately reflected in the results. |
I guess if Kucinich wants to pay for their time, though, everybody could use some extra work these days, even this. In any case, my reaction to such allegations and rumors remains this: some do not know how to lose graciously in American politics, starting at least as early as Jackson's loss to Adams; every loss seems to represent a conspiracy to them. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Kucinich now seeking New Hampshire recount |
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| Beeyee wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
It IS an important issue. My objection so far is that any time RP gets involved, it discredits the issue |
How? |
By shouting, "The fix is in!" repeatedly before the election even happens, it weakens the claim to fraud after the election. To have supporters claiming 'establishment chicanery' which means any problems were designed by the 'establishment', whatever that might mean, calls all elections into question. The RP crowd has not yet demonstrated an abilitiy to distinguish between cynicism and skepticism.
I'm also concerned that the minor candidates, but not the major candidates are asking for a recount. As Gopher noted, it makes it look like they are just poor losers.
My nominee for bad sportsmanship in American politics: Aaron Burr's loss to Thomas Jefferson in 1800. He went on to kill Alexander Hamilton while he (Aaron Burr) was still VeeP and then plotted to do 'something' in the Southwest--no one knows for sure what he was up to, but it wasn't good. |
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mistermasan
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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so, the messenger is more important than the message? if you don't believe in freedom of speech for everyone then you don't believe in it for anyone.
please, attack the post and not the poster. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| I welcome an open recount process. |
But do you welcome people like Bacaspar and Igotthisguitar and their worldviews and suspicions driving such a process...?
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It was a close election. It doesn't hurt to be thorough. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think it will change the outcome, but if that many candidates want a recount, then good for them. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| I agree. Kucinich is entitled to a recount. After all, half of his supporters and would-be constituency were too busy trying to divert that meteor from hitting Mars to have their voices heard. |
Steve, I never figured I say this to you, but that was funny. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| mistermasan wrote: |
so, the messenger is more important than the message? if you don't believe in freedom of speech for everyone then you don't believe in it for anyone.
please, attack the post and not the poster. |
When messengers have a reputation for creating, distorting and deliberately misrepresenting the message...you reap what you sow. Get over it. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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but in this case, seemingly, everyone agrees with them.
hear about the 2 folks recently sent to prison in ohio for election manipulation re: '04 presidential election?
the whole system is fixed. |
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