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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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 Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:58 am Post subject: RonPaul has opposed every bill supporting alternative energy |
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Congressman Ron Paul (R - TX)
Ron Paul has the least favorable position on alternative energy. He believes the American economy will continue to depend on oil in the foreseeable future. He is putting alternative energy on the back burner, and instead focusing on increasing the number of domestic refineries. Just recently, he voted Yes for the Refinery Permit Process Schedule Act.
Paul has opposed every bill supporting alternative energy investment:
� Voted NO for the Clean Energy Act of 2007 - To reduce our Nation's dependency on foreign oil by investing in clean, renewable, and alternative energy resources, promoting new emerging energy technologies, developing greater efficiency, and creating a Strategic Energy Efficiency and Renewable Reserve to invest in alternative energy (01/18/2007)
� Voted NO for the Energy Policy Act of 2005 � To develop an energy policy that addresses tax incentives, conservation strategies, regulatory standards, research and development programs, energy efficiency, and alternative sources of energy (07/28/2005)
� Voted NO for the Energy Omnibus bill - To enhance energy conservation and research and development, to provide for security and diversity in the energy supply for the American people (06/15/2004)
� Voted NO for the Securing America's Future Energy [SAFE] Act of 2001 - To enhance energy conservation, research and development and to provide for security and diversity in the energy supply for the American people (08/02/2001)
The problem is that Ron Paul has a tendency to vote against proposals for government spending, initiatives, and/or taxes. Could any progress be made in the alternative energy field without any of the three?
It would be extremely difficult for such a candidate to lead us towards energy independence if he is unwilling to invest in a cleaner future.
Anyone disagree? |
http://energy.seekingalpha.com/article/34879 |
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Masta_Don
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| Um, he's Libertarian. Of course he wouldn't vote for things that would cost taxpayer money or put limits on the market. |
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faster
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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It's a slippery slope. If we allow "alternative energy," next thing you know we'll be turning a blind eye to all the perverse and ungodly "alternative lifestyles."
What's next, state-sponsored furry conventions?
STOP THE BLEEDING! THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE! |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Ron Paul wants to get rid of gas taxes. |
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Masta_Don
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Ron Paul wants to get rid of gas taxes. |
And subsidies for the gas companies. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Ron Paul is a real libertarian. Eventually, he would like to get rid of all taxes and all subsidies. All taxes and subsidies are socialistic interventions in the marketplace that hurt the economy, make the poor poorer, and destroy individual liberty.
The question, Joo, is why do you support socialism?
There are only two possible alternatives: individualism and socialism.
There is NO middle ground. |
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faster
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Between selfishness and generosity, I'll gladly choose the latter, as I try to do in my daily life.
I love that Ayn Rand book, Atlas Shrugged, but she forgot the real last chapter, when the millionaire industrialists, having abandoned the rest of the population as unworthy of their genius, wake up and find there's no one to make their breakfasts or take out their trash. |
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Masta_Don
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Between selfishness and generosity, I'll gladly choose the latter, as I try to do in my daily life.
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Ok, I'll be generous with you. Gimme your money. |
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twg
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| Ayn Rand was a vile human being and so are her disciples. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
Ron Paul is a real libertarian. Eventually, he would like to get rid of all taxes and all subsidies. All taxes and subsidies are socialistic interventions in the marketplace that hurt the economy, make the poor poorer, and destroy individual liberty.
The question, Joo, is why do you support socialism?
There are only two possible alternatives: individualism and socialism.
There is NO middle ground. |
Better any kind of socialism than giving money to those who support Al Qaeda and the Ayatollahs of Iran.
Drop the price of oil and cut off their money. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| Masta_Don wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Ron Paul wants to get rid of gas taxes. |
And subsidies for the gas companies. |
Gas companies are not the enemy . Domestic oil is a lot more expensive than oil from the mideast. |
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Masta_Don
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Masta_Don wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Ron Paul wants to get rid of gas taxes. |
And subsidies for the gas companies. |
Gas companies are not the enemy . Domestic oil is a lot more expensive than oil from the mideast. |
And by subsidizing gas companies you lower the price of gas which makes it more affordable to the general public who are then placated which stymies research and development of alternative energy becuz everyone is content with what they have to pay now. Allow gas/oil to be its natural price, people become outraged, and cries for alternatives are heard. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Al Qaeda is a socialistic organization. They are attempting to bring their own version of religious socialiam to the Arab world. If you support socialism, you ARE Al Qaeda. Liberty or Death. There is no middle ground. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| And by subsidizing gas companies you lower the price of gas which makes it more affordable to the general public who are then placated which stymies research and development of alternative energy becuz everyone is content with what they have to pay now. Allow gas/oil to be its natural price, people become outraged, and cries for alternatives are heard. |
Domestic production is not the utimate solution but it is better than allowing a single dollar to go to those who support the terrorists.
I am more in favor of alternative energy than any on this board. I would like to see the US government run up the national debt to pay for it. But for now domestic production especially in places that are not off limits is what is needed until new technology is ready
I am all in favor of the gas tax but domestic energy has to be competive w/ imported energy. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Al Qaeda is a socialistic organization. They are attempting to bring their own version of religious socialiam to the Arab world. If you support socialism, you ARE Al Qaeda. Liberty or Death. There is no middle ground. |
You mean the socialist in Sweden = Al Qaeda. 
It seems you would rather the money go to those who support Al Qaeda than the US government
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