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cgbeauch



Joined: 25 Feb 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:50 am    Post subject: Jobs for couples Reply with quote

Hi all,

My girlfriend and I are planning on moving to Korea to teach later this year. I have seen a number of job postings here at Dave's marked "couples," but have not been able to find any info on the forums specific to couples.

I've got a few questions:

Are there other contract considerations people signing as couples need to think about? Obviously the biggest difference would be the type of accommodation offered. Anyone successfully negotiate better apartments because of the couple thing (two living allowances)?

Are couples hired more often/less? What are the big advantages for the employer in hiring couples? Is it just about saving that extra living allowance?

Also, I'm not worried at all about spending too much time with my girlfriend. We've been together for 4 years and still enjoy each other very much. That said, anyone have any comments about living and working so closely with someone?

Thanks a bunch.

Cheers,
Chris
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ironwolves



Joined: 25 Feb 2008
Location: South Carolina USA

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOW this must be a repost because the same question was asked yesterday and still up.


I know I am a noob here but at least I know what the search button is for.
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cgbeauch



Joined: 25 Feb 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Gosh darn, the forum police are here. Reply with quote

ironwolves wrote:
WOW this must be a repost because the same question was asked yesterday and still up.


I know I am a noob here but at least I know what the search button is for.


Yeah, oops. I missed the one other post that relates to couples. And, it was posted this morning. Do a search for the word "couple(s)" and you'll see the only two that come up are mine and the one you're referring to.

BTW, I spent hours on here searching this topic and others before posting. Someone beat me to it by a few hours, and I missed it. So sorry.

p.s. - there is still very little info about this topic in either of these posts.
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ironwolves,

You say you're a noob here, but by your post (short, somewhat rude, demeaning) I'd say you've already been initiated by a lot of the veterans on the board.

Consider yourself worthy of dropping the newb status.



Cgbeauch,

I think a lot of places would be happy to hire to couples since they get more security. By that I mean for one it's less likely you to leave since you won't hate somewhere as much or as fast if you have someone else with you. So the school won't fear you will run from the job if things are perfect.

Also, when they extort you, they get 2 extortions for the price of 1. Smile You're giving THEM a deal. hehe

For housing, I have been looking into this same issue. I've experienced that instead of you each getting a studio apartment, you might get offered a 1-bedroom apartment which is a step up. I know other couples can get 2- or 3- bedroom apartments depending on what city you are looking for.

Schools outside of Seoul might be more receptive to couples because they probably have a harder time filling positions and would like to kill 2 birds with one stone through hiring a couple. Also, in smaller cities you will probably get better housing.

I consider it a big advantage to go there with someone else because you can tolerate a lot more. At least when life will suck (which at times it will) you'll have someone else to complain to about it. Smile

One opportunity you have that is interesting to research is the housing allowance part.

If both you and your gf can find jobs that give housing allowance then you have 2 choices:

1) You could live in a little studio for the year together and take extra money from the other's contract for housing allowance. It would add up through the year to possibly almost $3000 which might be a fun trip if you don't mind staying in the smaller accomodations.

2) You could each take the housing allowance and then go rent your own apartment combining the 2 amounts. Some companies might let you move in to the housing first and then in the contract have it written that you can change to housing allowance at a later time. I think that you might find that BOTH of your housing allowances combine to give you better housing than you would get through the school.


Anyways, those are just my opinions. I'm not expert but I've done a lot of researching so far and I think that being a couple does have some decent options for housing and possible incentives for the school to hire you both.

If you're lucky someone else will provide you with the DOWNSIDE to this situation. I think the biggest downside is that if you sign with a school that is going to SCREW YOU OVER then you are BOTH going to get screwed over.

Risk / Reward is probably the best comment on this matter.

Good luck
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cgbeauch



Joined: 25 Feb 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KoreanAmbition wrote:
Ironwolves,

You say you're a noob here, but by your post (short, somewhat rude, demeaning) I'd say you've already been initiated by a lot of the veterans on the board.

Consider yourself worthy of dropping the newb status.



Cgbeauch,

[...]

Risk / Reward is probably the best comment on this matter.

Good luck


Thanks KA, that is really helpful. Sort of what I figured regarding being able to possibly bank more cash, or live somewhere better on two allowances. Also, what you said about couple opportunities potentially being better outside Seoul is somewhat reassuring. We don't really want to live in Seoul anyway. We'd rather be near the sea. Smile

As for the both of us getting screwed, that is definitely my biggest fear. It seems, from reading these forums, that Hogwans are universally derided. I can't believe it is such a crapshoot now. My sister taught in Korea in the 90s and, while risky, it seemed way less likely that you'd get bent over.

At the same time, I can't help but think: "The good Hogwans must be out there. Some people are working at them. So why not us?"
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cgbeauch,

You have mail.

Cheers
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cgbeauch



Joined: 25 Feb 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KoreanAmbition wrote:
Cgbeauch,

You have mail.

Cheers


Thanks KA,

I think the forum rules are prohibiting me from replying because my account is still new. Correct me if I'm wrong. Did you get my reply?

If not, I can probably post it here, but I don't want to clutter the post up with tons of personal info.

Chris
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got it and my response was sent back to you.


I think it takes you 25 posts to get access to the PM messaging.
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ironwolves



Joined: 25 Feb 2008
Location: South Carolina USA

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry if I pissed anyone off but I thought this subject would have been thrown out alot.

I dont know if they (the schools) would give you an increase in your monthly wage, but also you dont have to work in the same school since publis transportation is so widely used. Then your monthly charges will be split into two. Wink

Am I a NOOB on this forum, yes, am I a NOOB on the net, no. I have search the web for the past 2 weeks about ESL so I know some information. Also, I have lived in Korea for over a year, but that was in the 90s.
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ironwolves,

I was just trying to imply that this poster probably didn't know the thread was already started, and even if he did, it doesn't make him a bad guy.

Also, sometimes certain forum members don't see one thread and might see another which means more information might come out of something.

I don't mind usually posting something twice, and if I did mind, I could just include a link to the other thread for the OP.

Anyways, I think WE as newbies have to be nice to each other since we're all in the same boat together.

Cheers
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adventure pidgey



Joined: 26 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,

I'm the OP from the competing "getting work for married couples" post, http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=114950 -- figures we'd think to ask about the same topic at the same time! I linked my post, as I got two helpful replies, which my be of interest to my fellow n00bs here.

KoreanAmbition wrote:
I've experienced that instead of you each getting a studio apartment, you might get offered a 1-bedroom apartment which is a step up. I know other couples can get 2- or 3- bedroom apartments depending on what city you are looking for.


KoreanAmbition, it sounds like you have first-hand experience of the very sort of setup I'm looking for. Can you offer any specifics on how you (or people you know) arranged finding jobs together: (at the same school? did you work through a recruiter?).

You mention that it schools in smaller cities (i.e., not Seoul) might be more amenable to couples: any more on this? My wife & I are looking to go to someplace like Busan (or the smaller cities surrounding it) or Changwon. Any further info or advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated!
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bliss



Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Location: Gyeonggi

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:51 pm    Post subject: If you're interested... Reply with quote

I'm work at a very good hagwon and am due to finish my contract early May, along with my co-worker at the same time.

So you could surely apply for a job here as a couple...

The location is about 80km south of Seoul; smallish city.

I've had a good year here and have no regrets.

[email protected]
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cgbeauch



Joined: 25 Feb 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: If you're interested... Reply with quote

bliss wrote:
I'm work at a very good hagwon and am due to finish my contract early May, along with my co-worker at the same time.

So you could surely apply for a job here as a couple...

The location is about 80km south of Seoul; smallish city.

I've had a good year here and have no regrets.

[email protected]


Thanks Claire,

I would be all over this, but we can't leave that soon ( I've got one more class to finish for my degree).

Appreciate it though.
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adventure pidgey wrote:
Hi all,

I'm the OP from the competing "getting work for married couples" post, http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=114950 -- figures we'd think to ask about the same topic at the same time! I linked my post, as I got two helpful replies, which my be of interest to my fellow n00bs here.

KoreanAmbition wrote:
I've experienced that instead of you each getting a studio apartment, you might get offered a 1-bedroom apartment which is a step up. I know other couples can get 2- or 3- bedroom apartments depending on what city you are looking for.


KoreanAmbition, it sounds like you have first-hand experience of the very sort of setup I'm looking for. Can you offer any specifics on how you (or people you know) arranged finding jobs together: (at the same school? did you work through a recruiter?).

You mention that it schools in smaller cities (i.e., not Seoul) might be more amenable to couples: any more on this? My wife & I are looking to go to someplace like Busan (or the smaller cities surrounding it) or Changwon. Any further info or advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated!



Pidgey,

I was giving second-hand information actually. However, I recently talked to a girl who was with her husband, and they were given a big 3-bedroom apartment apparently.

I think the reality is understood when you think of an apartment.

Studio - 1 bedroom - 2 bedroom - 3 bedroom.

They all offer the same things, except that "extra" room/s for sleeping.

So from a real-estate perspective, a 1-bedroom is just a studio plus 1 more room. How big is that one room? It's not that big compared to the rest of the apartment. So when you pay MORE for a 1-bedroom the price is not significantly higher. The price doesn't double, at least not in MOST areas.

Take a studio in the region I live. It might cost you $400 for example. A 1-bedroom might be $600. And then a 2-bedroom is $800.

The school pays the SAME for 2 teachers whether they pay for 2 studios or one 2-bedroom. In the example I gave, the school doesn't care if they hire a couple since they'll pay the same. However, the couple thinks they are getting a GREAT deal. Therefore, advantage for the school because they offered the same resources for more happiness from the applicants.

Now, costs are not always in line with what I said, however, I'm sure you get the idea. If you go into an area where housing is not a huge expense, then it's not hard for schools to offer better housing.

As for job posting, I see all kinds that want COUPLES. I think for the school there are a lot of benefits of hiring 2 people, and at the same time, if you are qualified, that you can have a bit more bargaining power because you are saving them time and effort by giving them 2 employees at once, AND it's easier for them to put a leash around the 2 of you than 2 individuals.

Anyways, that's my opinon from what I have learned talking to others that have been in Korea.
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Mi Yum mi



Joined: 28 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KoreanAmbition wrote:
Ironwolves,

You say you're a noob here, but by your post (short, somewhat rude, demeaning) I'd say you've already been initiated by a lot of the veterans on the board.

Consider yourself worthy of dropping the newb status.



Same with yourself. You give a lot of info for someone who hasn't entered the country yet Smile
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