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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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 Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: FBI Aims For World's Largest Biometrics Database |
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FBI Aims For World's Largest Biometrics Database
Sat Dec 22, 1:30 AM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The FBI is embarking on a $1 billion project to build the world's largest computer database of biometrics to give the U.S. government more ways to identify people at home and abroad, the Washington Post reported on Friday.
The FBI has already started compiling digital images of faces, fingerprints and palm patterns in its systems, the paper said.
In January, the agency -- which focuses on violations of federal law, espionage by foreigners and terrorist activities -- expects to award a 10-year contract to expand the amount and kinds of biometric information it receives, it said.
At an employer's request, the FBI will also retain the fingerprints of employees who have undergone criminal background checks, the paper said.
If successful, the system, called Next Generation Identification, will collect the biometric information in one place for ... identification and "forensic" purposes, the Post said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/fbi_biometrics_dc;_ylt=AtrBh57vq42XWzFpijTEGtRhr7sF |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Maybe they could share it with Korean Immigration to speed up the criminal checks for E-2 visas ...  |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| FBI Aims For World's Largest Biometrics Database |
Good. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| FBI Aims For World's Largest Biometrics Database |
Good. |
Because? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Counterintelligence and -terrorism; kidnapping, bank robbery, and narcotics; other violations of fed law.
This database will enable the feds to move faster and be more sure-footed when they move? Good. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Counterintelligence and -terrorism; kidnapping, bank robbery, and narcotics; "other" violations of fed law.
This database will enable the feds to move faster and be more sure-footed when they move? Good. |
This is designed to be a database for virtually EVERYONE though is it not?
i.e. the vast majority don't even have "criminal" records.
Also, if you'll note: the story does not say World's Largest CRIMINAL Biometrics Database 
It says " ... to give the U.S. government more ways to identify people at home and abroad ... "
btw - what exactly is "counter"-intel?
Waitresses & cashiers with monsterously big ears, impecable integrity & amazingly photographic memories? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Mars could be in for an asteroid hit.
If the asteroid strikes Mars, it will probably hit near the equator close to where the rover Opportunity is exploring.
A newly discovered hunk of space rock has a 1 in 75 chance of slamming into the red planet on January 30, scientists said Thursday.
"These odds are extremely unusual. We frequently work with really long odds when we track ... threatening asteroids," said Steve Chesley, an astronomer with the Near Earth Object Program at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
The asteroid, known as 2007 WD5, was discovered in late November and is similar in size to an object that hit remote central Siberia in 1908, unleashing energy equivalent to a 15-megaton nuclear bomb and wiping out 60 million trees. 
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/12/21/mars.asteroid.ap/index.html
Tell me something we don't already know! 
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.
Take me on a trip upon your magic swirlin' ship,
My senses have been stripped, my hands can't feel to grip,
My toes too numb to step, wait only for my boot heels
To be wanderin'.
I'm ready to go anywhere, I'm ready for to fade
Into my own parade, cast your dancing spell my way,
I promise to go under it.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Mars could be in for an asteroid hit.
If the asteroid strikes Mars, it will probably hit near the equator close to where the rover Opportunity is exploring.
A newly discovered hunk of space rock has a 1 in 75 chance of slamming into the red planet on January 30, scientists said Thursday.
"These odds are extremely unusual. We frequently work with really long odds when we track ... threatening asteroids," said Steve Chesley, an astronomer with the Near Earth Object Program at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
The asteroid, known as 2007 WD5, was discovered in late November and is similar in size to an object that hit remote central Siberia in 1908, unleashing energy equivalent to a 15-megaton nuclear bomb and wiping out 60 million trees.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/12/21/mars.asteroid.ap/index.html
Tell me something we don't already know!
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.
Take me on a trip upon your magic swirlin' ship,
My senses have been stripped, my hands can't feel to grip,
My toes too numb to step, wait only for my boot heels
To be wanderin'.
I'm ready to go anywhere, I'm ready for to fade
Into my own parade, cast your dancing spell my way,
I promise to go under it.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you. |
Aren't you posting on the wrong thread, or is that supposed to be an example of so-called "counter"-intel?
*shrugs* |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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FBI Aims For World's Largest Biometrics Database
Sat Dec 22, 1:30 AM ET |
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The FBI is embarking on a $1 billion project to build the world's largest computer database of biometrics to give the U.S. government more ways to identify people at home and abroad |
What gives the FBI the right to hold biometric data about people who are not American (as it appears they plan to do)? The US have already openly stated that they have the right to kidnap anyone suspected of a crime from a foreign country and take them to the U.S. for trial. That's a violation of basic human rights right there and when added to the holding of biometric data, it's a very ugly can of worms just waiting to be opened.
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| A senior lawyer for the American government has told the Court of Appeal in London that kidnapping foreign citizens is permissible under American law because the US Supreme Court has sanctioned it. |
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2982640.ece |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| What gives the FBI the right to...? |
People ask such questions when they are in the weakest of positions and wish to oppose something they cannot change one iota.
And by the way, planning and supporting terrorist acts against Americans and American interests from abroad are basic human rights violations, too. We are at war. We task and retask our intelligence agencies -- sometimes as often as technological developments occur. Deal with it. |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| What gives the FBI the right to...? |
People ask such questions when they are in the weakest of positions and wish to oppose something they cannot change one iota.
And by the way, planning and supporting terrorist acts against Americans and American interests from abroad are basic human rights violations, too. We are at war. We task and retask our intelligence agencies -- sometimes as often as technological developments occur. Deal with it. |
People say such things when they are in a position of power and have no intention of considering anything other than gain for themselves or for their country. I don't wish to oppose this because of any reason other than that it is not my country telling me that they may keep my personal details and use them as they see fit, but also because it is another country which has stated that it may do so, and it is a country which has shown no regard for due process, international law, privacy or shown anything resembling remorse when it makes a, or one of its many, mistake/s.
You are one of these Americans who uses the word 'terrorism' as an excuse for America to behave in any way which suits American interests. Yes, America had a terrorist attack on the 11/9 and many people died. As sorry as I feel for those who died and their families, big deal. New Zealand was bombed by French agents and did we go charging off and invade Germany? The U.K. was bombed on many, many occasions (one of which while I was in London, mere miles from the explosion). Did the U.K. invade, say, Greece? No on both counts. Terrorist acts have happened to many countries and for America to feel in some way special (other than having been the major part of anger and resentment towards it) and more important than other countries is mere egotism. No, the U.S. is so special that it has to attack a country with nothing but tangential association with terrorists, and only after having weapons inspectors search that country to make sure that they have nothing with which to fight back. The most cowardly way in which to wage a war.
While the U.S. may keep personal biometric details, it will keep them on as many people as possible, not just terrorosts. The FBI has already been shown to have appalling database security and to think that they will store my details there for anyone with a modicum of ability to access is disturbing to say the least.
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| a contractor hired to work on the computer system was so frustrated by the bureaucracy he needed to go through to do something as simple as adding a printer to the network, that he used some free internet tools to breach the network and get access to the usernames and passwords of 38,000 FBI employees |
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060706/114254.shtml
How can having my personal details on a poorly secured database help the fight against terrorism? If I want to do something to help make the world a safer place, the last thing I want to do is help the U.S., a country which seems to have done everything it can to make the world a more dangerous place in the last 6 or 7 years. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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You sound like you believe that it is a simple matter separating terrorists from the herd.
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| You are one of these Americans who uses the word 'terrorism' as an excuse for America to behave in any way which suits American interests. |
If I did not know any better -- and I am not certain that I do -- I might conclude that you are one of those who not only denies that antiAmericanism exists, but terrorism, too.
In any case, please refresh my memory and show me where I have used "terrorism" to manipulate or "as an excuse for America" on this board or elsewhere.
Regards people and entities gathering, processing, storing, buying and selling your personal information for a variety of purposes (American national-securing representing merely one), you also sound undeniably uninformed if not naive. Were you born somehwere, do you hold a passport, national identity card or social-security number, or drivers' license, have you ever filled out healthcare and/or criminal history forms for any school, employer, or insurance company, did you graduate from schools that maintain records, have you ever been fingerprinted (by the armed forces, police, or any employer such as a school district in your country or another country), do you maintain bank accounts, write checks, use debit or credit cards, take out and repay any kind of loan whatsoever, use cell phones, make international telephone calls, pay rent and other bills, or have a MySpace page, or post messages on this or another message board from your own computer, by the way...?
This is very, very old news, Sleepy_in_Seoul. Wake up. The technology has changed. The grid remains as it was, only enhanced, more reliable, and probably much faster. As I said, above: good. As an American, I wholly support this.
Igotthisguitar: your story calls the American effort "the largest biometrics database." Who else in the world has such databases? How has the author determined that the American government's represents the world's largest one? And, if you truly object to such information-gathering on principle, why do you not object to the others? |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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You should have said, 'As an American Republican.'
And stop saying 'American' as if we're the only country on two continents. Sure, it may be slang, but I can think of a lot of inappropriate slang.
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Sleepy in Seoul wrote:
What gives the FBI the right to...?
People ask such questions when they are in the weakest of positions and wish to oppose something they cannot change one iota.
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And if you're going to trumpet the merits of the US, please don't negate our fundamental principles while doing so. The US is founded on the rule of law, not the notion that might makes right. The people in charge, for now, seem to have forgotten that, as, it seems, have you. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Who is "trumpeting the merits of the U.S.?" Still trapped in that ridiculous dichotomy, I see.
The American govt -- that is the Republican-controlled executive branch and the Democratic-controlled Congress that funds it, backed by the American electorate and taxpayers (and this is where "FBI gets the right," incidentally) -- is upgrading its information-gathering and analytical capability. I support it. No more no less.
You may want to come here and bitterly denounce this evil deed along with the rest of the wild-eyed, hysterical internet community -- while stubbornly ignoring any and all others who do the same exact thing. You may even want to spend time setting up threads that will encourage others to ridicule America, like Tiger Beer of late.
See?
But just because I have no interest in joining your antiAmerican mob, that does not mean that I am here "trumpeting the merits of the U.S.," moron. Incredibly, that seems to be all that you and your correligionists here can imagine.
| Czarjorge wrote: |
| And stop saying 'American' as if... |
Relax. As I already explained to you, it ain't slang, baby...
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| Sure, the United States is "America." We call ourselves "Americans." So does everybody else. Take "the American Bar Association," "the American Stock Exchange," "the American Broadcasting Corporation," the American Historical Review, the Journal of American History, or An American Werewolf in London, for example. And who do you think "antiAmericanism" refers to, Nicholas, the entire western hemisphere...? |
If you want to join any number of Latin-American nationalists ("jorge" strongly suggests that you were born one) and call yourself "a United-Statsian" or a "North-American," be my guest.
As for me, I will continue to call myself and my country "American" and "America," respectively, just as almost everyone else in the world does, Nicky. Want a more immediate example? Reread Sleepy_in_Seoul's posts on this thread, goofy. He is either from Australia or New Zealand. |
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