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chronicpride
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Gopher
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Not looking so sanguine for Obama on the ground...
By the way, Rory Reid, Hillary Clinton's campaign chair in Nevada, is the Senate Majority Leader's son. |
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chronicpride
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caniff
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The worm not only turns, but apparently it is having convulsions.
This has been a very interesting campaign season to date. I wonder how it will be once the table is finally set - still a looong way to go until Election Day. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| This has been a very interesting campaign season to date. I wonder how it will be once the table is finally set - still a looong way to go until Election Day. |
Yes, it definitely has been. Two votes so far and surprises both times. It can't get any better than this.
I'm guessing the reason things have been unpredictable is because of the unexpectedly large turnouts. Pollsters don't seem to be able to predict that. Anyway, it's a good sign that more people are interested this year and are getting involved. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| This has been a very interesting campaign season to date. I wonder how it will be once the table is finally set - still a looong way to go until Election Day. |
Yes, it definitely has been. Two votes so far and surprises both times. It can't get any better than this.
I'm guessing the reason things have been unpredictable is because of the unexpectedly large turnouts. Pollsters don't seem to be able to predict that. Anyway, it's a good sign that more people are interested this year and are getting involved. |
Campaign prognostication is definitely tough this time around (except for in the case of Ron Paul and the others who were long-shots from the get-go).
Do you think there will be voter-fatigue down the stretch? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| I think there is a very good possibility of it. After all, this campaign has been going since Nov. '06. I don't remember any campaign that started two years early. Even one year is too long. I also think the likelihood of voter fatigue setting in will skyrocket if the campaigns turn negative. People are sick of it. |
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chronicpride
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John Kerry called up Las Vegas Sun columnist John Ralston, who summarized the following conversation:
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So why Obama instead of his former running mate and the former first lady?
�The times are different,� Kerry said. �The times demand different things.�
He said Obama�s race will not be an impediment to �most
Americans�.This is 2008�I think most Americans are way beyond that.�
But what about Clinton�s argument that talking change is different than producing change? Listen to this, dear Flashees:
�He produced one of the most significant ethics reform bills we passed. He has been a legislator longer than Hillary Clinton.� And then this zinger: �Health care didn�t pass in 1994 if I recall.�
I would love to be on the Senate floor when they all get back. |
http://blogs.lasvegassun.com/politics/2008/01/10/obama-upping-nevada-stakes-kerry-kicks-clinton/ |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Health care didn't pass in 1994... |
Unfair criticism. Several Clinton-Administration initiatives failed in the first year or so. The Clintons learned to move slower, compromise, and build solid support.
Obama does not evince any such wisdom (yet). |
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Czarjorge
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| I'm not sure a Kerry endorsement is a good thing. I dislike that guy almost as much as John Edwards, voting for those two stuffed shirts hurt last time. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure a Kerry endorsement is a good thing. I dislike that guy almost as much as John Edwards, voting for those two stuffed shirts hurt last time. |
It won't hurt.
But the Clinton strategy now is rally the base: rally Democratic females and males who are struggling economically.
I don't see how a Kerry endorsement frustrates her strategy. It'll come down to voters on Super Tuesday. |
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Czarjorge
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I agree. It will be interesting to see if it goes all the way down to most delegates at the convention. That hasn't happened in a long while.
As for Kerry endorsing Obama frustrating Clinton's strategy of mobilizing existing Dems, why wouldn't it? The last Presidential candidate is as mainstream party as you can get, short of being married to the last Dem President of course.
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Kuros
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| I agree. It will be interesting to see if it goes all the way down to most delegates at the convention. That hasn't happened in a long while. |
The KY primary is May 20th. It'd be awesome if we were relevant. |
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chronicpride
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| The KY primary is May 20th. It'd be awesome if we were relevant. |
I will go to my grave believing the order of states in the caucus/primary process is determined by coolness. What is coolness? Well, it's what James Dean had and Iowa has that Kentucky and Oregon don't.  |
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