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hexagonsun
Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Location: ROK
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: The straight dope on teaching Kindy |
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Yes, yes "do a search" you say. I did, but it lacked enlightenment.
I'll be coming over there for the first time soon and that's where some of the recruiters (multiple, I've read my Dave's) have been *trying* to push me by saying this is the time they hire. I've been resisting their efforts for the most part when I find out the school is rubbish. I wouldn't mind a mixed bag of kindy and elementry, but I fear of flying have way around the world and "things suddenly changed."
I would like know if it's as bad as people make it out to be or are those people simply not able to handle kids? I'm not sure I fall into that category yet.
Should I be paid more because I'm handling those little monsters all day?
If I were to teach kindy, what should the hours be (teaching opposed to prep) and what can I expect (important)?
I just need to know the pros and cons.
Thanks. |
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Biblethumper

Joined: 15 Dec 2007 Location: Busan, Korea
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Actually kindergarten is the best age to teach.
Kindergarteners inherently respect authority, although they need a lot of firmness and tangible punishments and rewards to see that authority: candy, stickers, standing in the corner, being dragged to the Korean teacher. Once you establish yourself as their "father" or "mother" they will be like Santa's elves to you.
Kindergarteners inherently love adults. Express affection towards them and they will follow you anywhere. Also, they will not resent authority or instruction, because it comes from their parent-figure. They do not care if you are young, old, fat, tatooed, bearded, hideous, gay, Christian, New Zealander, black, white, kyopo.
Kindergarteners internalize your instruction the best. As the months pass you will notice real progress. Their pronunciation and grammar will actually improve. They do not have countless bad habits and Konglish expressions to unlearn.
Kindergarteners are not shy about singing, drama, silly games.
Kindergarteners will not argue with the foreign teacher about grammar, Korean culture, report card grades or curriculum.
Of course, some kindergarteners have retarded parents who have spoiled them into a truly reprobate state of rotteness: but even the most obtuse Korean co-teacher or supervisor will sympathize with you in those cases. |
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Snowmeow

Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Location: pc room
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Good comments, Biblethumper!
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They do not care if you are young, old, fat, tatooed, bearded, hideous, Christian, New Zealander |
Even if you are a New Zealander? I don't know about that!
Just kidding, teaching kindergarten was decent in my experience. My best memories have been of some the kindy students who were truly wonderful kids. You need to be patient, able to be stern sometimes and silly at other times, and not lose your cool when somebody refuses to listen or quiet down.
In my experience the negative aspect of teaching kindy is the schedule. Usually you work in the mid-morning, until maybe 1:30 pm and then have to go back there until 6-7 or later for the elementary or middle school kids. That's tiring. It takes up all your day and then you'll run into people who only work from 3-8. |
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isthisreally
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Gotta agree. I love teaching the kindy kids. It requires more effort, but it's much more rewarding. Still I'd be wary about teaching the really young kids. At my school we have 5,6, and 7 year olds (Korean age) and I have taught the 5 years olds, but got it in my contract for next year that I will not be their primary teacher. They are difficult.
At my hagwon I also teach elementry school kids on MWF. My hours are
MWF - 10:10-7:30
TT - 10:10-2:35
There is a lunch break in there, I'm expected but not required to eat with the kids. |
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Bryan
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Are you guys really worn out after you finish the day teaching kindies? Why is this? |
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hexagonsun
Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Location: ROK
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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This is some really great advice. I appreciate it a lot everyone...Hats off to Bible on this one. I was really debating this scenario, but I think for a first timer it might be a good decision. Plus I get to hang out with little kids all day and act like one too. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: The straight dope on teaching Kindy |
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hexagonsun wrote: |
Yes, yes "do a search" you say. I did, but it lacked enlightenment.
I'll be coming over there for the first time soon and that's where some of the recruiters (multiple, I've read my Dave's) have been *trying* to push me by saying this is the time they hire. I've been resisting their efforts for the most part when I find out the school is rubbish. I wouldn't mind a mixed bag of kindy and elementry, but I fear of flying have way around the world and "things suddenly changed."
I would like know if it's as bad as people make it out to be or are those people simply not able to handle kids? I'm not sure I fall into that category yet.
Should I be paid more because I'm handling those little monsters all day?
If I were to teach kindy, what should the hours be (teaching opposed to prep) and what can I expect (important)?
I just need to know the pros and cons.
Thanks. |
Be very careful what you're getting yourself in for. Teaching ECE is not like teaching primary or secondary school, and teaching in a private academy is not like teaching in a public institution. Yes, this time of year a lot of kindergartens or academies with kindergartens attached to them are hiring, as they often start new classes at the beginning of March. However, they do hire year-round and you can afford to be patient. Don't rush into something because some recruiter is under pressure to put a white face into a position.
Foreigners' opinions on teaching kindergarten really vary. One drawback is that it often means teaching in the morning. This may be great if you're at a kindergarten-only academy and are finished by 3 or 4 PM. But if you're at any 'everything' academy and teach elementary in the afternoon and adults in the evening it can make for terribly long days, even if you have blocks of time off between shifts.
As for kindergarten kids themselves, I personally *hate* working with them. I have a lot of patience for Korean teenagers, even if they have their moments and are sometimes too tired to do anything. But Korean kids under 7 are on the whole the most ill-mannered demographic bracket I've seen anywhere in the world. Others hate Korean teenagers and love the little monsters. If you're stuck with an age group you generally hate, it can make for a very long year. |
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gangpae
Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Location: Busan
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent presentation Biblethumper!
I would add one more thing: be prepared to get in shape.
Teaching Kindies has to be one of the most physically grueling occupations bar none. |
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jackson7
Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Location: Kim Jong Il's Future Fireball
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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I hope I am not hijacking (ah, eff it, I probably am...sorry) but I was wondering you Kindy teachers could point me in a good direction for curriculum and materials to teach 4,5,6, and 7 (K-age) year-olds. The pre-school I work in is not an English kindy, but have hired me on the side to provide some English instruction the past few months. We have been doing songs, them-based pictures and phonics, etc. Any good sources for songs, activities, etc.? Thanks so much! |
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hexagonsun
Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Location: ROK
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Jackson:
I was doing a little research for curriculum myself. Check the section in Dave's called "Stuff for Teachers" then click on teacher forums or teaching materials. Helps a bit, but probably wont prepare you for the actual first day of teaching the kids. |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:39 am Post subject: |
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Bryan wrote: |
Are you guys really worn out after you finish the day teaching kindies? Why is this? |
Kindy is a nightmare. Many of those recommending it teach ONLY kindy and leave halfway through the day. Most hogwans want you to deal with little monsters in the morning and then teach older kids for the rest of the day. It's bad.
Be prepared to deal with crying and kids who eat one piece of candy and run wild. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:26 am Post subject: Re: The straight dope on teaching Kindy |
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hexagonsun wrote: |
Yes, yes "do a search" you say. I did, but it lacked enlightenment.
I'll be coming over there for the first time soon and that's where some of the recruiters (multiple, I've read my Dave's) have been *trying* to push me by saying this is the time they hire. I've been resisting their efforts for the most part when I find out the school is rubbish... |
Just be sure to post your contract here for review before you sign anything. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: |
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Hats off to Bible on this one. |
Which testement, I'm old myself. |
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Paul_Zerzan
Joined: 26 Sep 2007
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: |
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spliff wrote: |
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Hats off to Bible on this one. |
Which testement, I'm old myself. |
Then I'm sure you'll be spending an eternity in Hell being Satan's poolboy. That God is a vengeful God, and you are a very bad boy. |
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Cerriowen
Joined: 03 Jun 2006 Location: Pocheon
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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I teach kindy... Love it. Kids respect authority, they want to learn, and they genuinely love their teachers.
At that age, kids are kids. If you get along with western kids, you'll get along with Korean kids. I haven't noticed them being *that* different from the kids I taught back in the states.
Only if you really love kids, and you're good with them though. How upset do you get when a little one pukes on you? (Happened to me 2x in 6 months...) They're germy little buggers, so prepare a lot of hand sanitizer.
With the parents and co-teachers though... be prepared for them to be a bit more paranoid and strange than your typical westerners. I teach P.E. and have been told off several times for making the children too sweaty, because it messes up their hair. Kids must be washed and laundered (possibly including a change of clothes), before being sent home. Heaven forbid they get scratched or bruised, particularly on the face. |
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