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Parents don't check students' books

 
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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:41 am    Post subject: Parents don't check students' books Reply with quote

I asked one class today. A small group of grade 4's and 5's who do pretty well. We go over every nook and cranny of their workbooks. I asked them if their parents look at them. Everyone one of them said, "No."

I really think that parents, on the most part, don't really pay much attention to what their kids are studying. Or how they're being taught. Much like it was with me when I was growing up.

I'm going to ask all my students. See what kind of feedback I get.

Had anyone else noticed this?

It's like it doesn't matter how much you improve their English. No one seems to say anything. Not my boss. Not the parents. Hell, I never see parents. I could very well go through a hole year without anyone saying boo to me. I guess that's a blessing in some regards, but it can be frustrating.

I guess as long as they're learning something, that's all that counts. It's weird though. No one tells me I have a good idea when I implement it. No one wants to hear about any ideas. Students come and go. Some stay for a long time. Like 2 or 3 years. Some longtime students suddenly are gone one day without anyone even telling me. Poof. Gone.

Strangee.
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WoBW



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have students who NEVER do their homework, even though parents seem to always be asking for more.

I've long since given up on lecturing these kids about doing it. I just make a note every class who did all of it, who did some, and who did none. Then I write a coment in the monthly report about failing to do homework.

Nothing changes. I've started to think that the rich parents don't really care. sending their kids to a hagwon is more of a child minding service than an education.
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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WoBW wrote:
I have students who NEVER do their homework, even though parents seem to always be asking for more.

I've long since given up on lecturing these kids about doing it. I just make a note every class who did all of it, who did some, and who did none. Then I write a coment in the monthly report about failing to do homework.

Nothing changes. I've started to think that the rich parents don't really care. sending their kids to a hagwon is more of a child minding service than an education.


I just do the best I can during class. I don't do any work outside of class time. 2 of my elementary classes have their workbooks all up to date except for one student who's pretty much a lost cause for writing. Spent a little time showing him today. I give them all notebooks (I paid for them). The mentioned student's mother apparently tore all the pages out of it. Nice. That's what he told me. Maybe because I give him a hard time sometimes and get the others on him a bit. He can do it, but I always have to pester him to listen. Then time goes by and I realise how I could've aproached it differently. Another student (girl) attends sporadically and she doesn't really get it all. I used to bug her sometimes, but just sort of let her participate here and there and skip her duing the harder things: "You just listen, Ji-Su."

When I first started up until I don't know when (I'm coming to the end of my third year at this hagwon), I didn't even touch the workbooks. My boss does the backup half hour classes and the workbooks look like a tornado hit them when I didn't/don't get involved with them. He circles wrong answers, not correcting mistakes. Or writes over them with a pen. Like that helps. I sit with them one-by-one and show them their errors and make them do it over again. It's quite effective. Takes time, but as soon as a find a mistake, I hand it back to them and go to the next student. All the students are working away while I'm doing the one-on-ones.

The other teachers don't do the workbooks. My boss has said, "I'll do the workbooks," but it just doesn't work well that way. You gotta do them with them there in class. Anything that's too hard for them can be done in class without too much spoon feeding. Just getting them to use their heads.

I don't do reports. Just teach.

Not that I'm looking for a pat on the back, but no one appreciates anything. Or nothing is acknowledged. It's fkg weird.
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twg



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WoBW wrote:
I have students who NEVER do their homework, even though parents seem to always be asking for more.

I've long since given up on lecturing these kids about doing it. I just make a note every class who did all of it, who did some, and who did none. Then I write a coment in the monthly report about failing to do homework.

Nothing changes.

This is exactly the problem I've been having at work lately. Then I get shit for it when the occasional mom does call up and complains about Little Min-Wu having empty pages in their homework books.

"Make sure they do their homework."

"Am I supposed to go home with them? Tell the moms to do their damned jobs as moms"

Since I got a few months left until I get out of this madhouse, I'm just going to nod smile, and ignore everyone.
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Cerriowen



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something I've noticed is that Koreans never give positive feedback, only negative. If you're still getting paid, that means they think you doing your job well enough. If the parents aren't complaining, thats a compliment.

Something I tried with my elementary kids is... when ever I assign homework, I take each book and write "HOMEWORK... Due (date)" on it. Then when they bring it in, I write "Not Done (date)". The kids who don't do their homework, STILL don't do it. But at least that way, if they ask me why the kid doesn't improve... I can tell them to look at the book. It shows I assigned it, AND checked it, and Junior dropped the ball.
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politicorific



Joined: 11 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is something my Hagwon has done right:

Detentions!

I give them for 1)speaking Korean, 2)not bringing books, or 3)anything that they really shouldn't be doing. As punishment they have to either come before or stay after class for 45 minutes in detention.

The parents love it - in fact I have one student who's parents make her goto detention to get her homework done(otherwise she'd be at the PC bang). This isn't to say that it has solved all my problems. I can't give them to children under 10, which sucks for the kids who's parents think their brilliant and want them in the higher levels despite them understanding only every fifth word.
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twg



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

politicorific wrote:
I have one student who's parents make her goto detention to get her homework done(otherwise she'd be at the PC bang).

Now this gets back to my annoyance about parents expecting us to do their jobs for them...
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