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Octavius Hite

The truth is always so much more interesting (and complicated) than the rhetoric.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22689931/

Ya-ta Boy · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994

US abortions at lowest rate since 1974

NEW YORK - The number of abortions in the United States fell to 1.2 million in 2005, down 25 percent from the all-time high of 1.6 million in 1990 and dropping the abortion rate to its lowest level since 1974, according to report issued Thursday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080119/ap_on_re_us/abortion_decline[/quote]

stevemcgarrett · Joined: 24 Mar 2006

Guess you won't have to worry, though, about becoming personally responsible for this statistic, eh OH?

Octavius Hite · Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:11 am Post subject:

That seems to be the case, although I would say that once this recession if full-fledged you will see a serious increase in abortions as more and more people are unable to afford to have any more kids.

If you look at the graph in the story you can see the huge spike in abortions just at the height of Reaganomics.

I don't really care, but I find it so interesting that the majority of people getting them are people who have had kids before. It shows me that people are really weighing the financial cost of having children these days.

Anyone who ever looked at SK's abortion numbers though would have known how important economics are to the decision.

Octavius Hite · Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:13 am Post subject:

Gopher · Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Agreed, Octavius: economics probably remain mostly central to most decisions to abort. By the way, I read something on this story a day or two ago. Here is NPR's take on the data Ya-ta Boy refs, above...

Octavius Hite · Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:18 am Post subject:

What's really amazing is there has been more than 30 million abortions since RvW. Could you even imagine what America might look like if they had been allowed to appear? I guess the need for Mexicans would be much lower, but seriously, 30 million unwanted babies it wouldn't be pretty.

Gopher · Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Octavius Hite · Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:32 am Post subject:

It was a joke. But.....anti-choice people always fail to recognize what all those unwanted babies would mean. If poor people were forced to have those children then the American urban ghettos would grow exponentially. Middle-class people forced to have them could be forced below the poverty line.

My point was merely to say that yes banning abortion is good for the soul, but what you do with the millions of unwanted children is so often overlooked.

Gopher · Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Octavius Hite · Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:43 am Post subject:

Thanks mom.

stevemcgarrett · Joined: 24 Mar 2006

Octavius prudently noted:

Octavius Hite · Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:14 am Post subject:

Kuros · Joined: 27 Apr 2004

stevemcgarrett · Joined: 24 Mar 2006

Octavius:

Well, condom use among Blacks is lower, that is correct, but promiscuity is a serious problem as well, particularly in the inner city. That's not just my judgment, either. Oh, and you're welcome.

Hey Kuros, keep your condescending tone for the usual suspects.

First off, I know the affluent can pay to have a second child. And do you also know that minorities of any income can as well?

Second, if you can't see the connection, that's your problem.

Finally, it's easy to talk about the One-Child Policy disparagingly when you have the luxury of living in a country that doesn't suffer from overpopulation. I admit it's a draconian measure, but the Chinese are pragmatic and the last laugh will be on the Indian government.

Now unless you've spent year after year living with common Chinese, refrain from your school marm routine, Judge Judy.