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atomic42

Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Location: Gimhae
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: Do you feel bad for hagwon owners who can't find FT's? |
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Do you feel bad for hagwon owners who can't find foreign teachers due to the new government policies to protect Sparkling from the pedophiles, drug abusers and filth from abroad? |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Money talks. If they want FT's then they should pay. |
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bgreenster

Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Location: too far from the beach
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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I guess I can be the one to go against the grain here. I realize that the odds are bad, but there are some good hagwon owners out there, and I really do feel bad that they're having a harder time.
Question, though- maybe I'm just out of it, but are they actually having that hard of a time finding teachers? It doesn't seem like my boss has had it any more difficult since the changes... |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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pkang0202 wrote: |
Money talks. If they want FT's then they should pay. |
What he said. |
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skeeterses
Joined: 25 Oct 2007
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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It's not a matter of pity or envy, but rather plain economics and human limitations. As it is, the hagwon market is saturated with hundreds of hagwons in each city alone in a razor thin competition for a limited market.
There simply are not enough students to give every ESL teacher full time employment.
At some point, the Koreans are going to have to question the very idea of continueing to import ESL teachers. If the ESL Hagwon Industry is successful, within the next 5 years there should be an ample supply of bilingual Koreans who can teach English to the other Koreans. If those bilingual teachers are not there, then the Koreans will have to question the wisdom of trying to force every Korean schoolkid to learn English. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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My short answer is: no
If anything good comes from this, maybe it will weed out and close down some of the bad hagwons who are just out there to make money. On the other hand, I guess it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't. |
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atomic42

Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Location: Gimhae
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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bgreenster wrote: |
Question, though- maybe I'm just out of it, but are they actually having that hard of a time finding teachers? It doesn't seem like my boss has had it any more difficult since the changes... |
I know 2 recruiters who just quit the biz because of the new policies. I assume they can't be arsed with any more whimsical changes either.
I say bring on the Filippina and Pakistani ESL teachers.
Last one out be sure to turn the light off. |
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zizi
Joined: 01 Dec 2007 Location: Korea
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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marlow wrote: |
pkang0202 wrote: |
Money talks. If they want FT's then they should pay. |
What he said. |
Word. |
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happeningthang

Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Sure, I can feel sorry for them. Why not?
They're losing their businesses, with a policy that's clearing out the little guy. I can appreciate that it's a kick up the bum for the industry - and for the fly by night hagwons who think whitey=education dollars it's better that they go.
Still it'll be tougher to find teachers to go to small towns, meaning the edge will be given, even more so than it already is, to the cities.
The only winners I can see here will be the hagwons who operate as BIG businesses in the large cities - who are having their competition wiped away. |
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tsgarp

Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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White collar bean pickers have too high an opinion of themselves.
Here is your reality. Here is your future.
Japanese parents praise Tokyo's Indian schools
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Not surprisingly, Sanku confirms that there is a long waiting list at her school. "Four families are moving into Tokyo so their children can attend the kindergarten next year." She also plans to open Little Angels International Elementary School in April next year. |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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within the next 5 years there should be an ample supply of bilingual Koreans who can teach English to the other Koreans. |
No, because the ones that learn English well mostly emigrate and don't return.
And in any case, a korean with a good knowledge of english still cannot, ever, match a native speaker to whom english is his mother tongue. |
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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I feel bad for them. And I think it's terrible that some of you are enjoying their hardships... then again, I've never been screwed by a hogwan, so.... |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: Do you feel bad for hagwon owners who can't find FT's? |
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atomic42 wrote: |
Do you feel bad for hagwon owners who can't find foreign teachers due to the new government policies to protect Sparkling from the pedophiles, drug abusers and filth from abroad? |
Some ppl actually do feel sorry for haggie owners- kills me. I'd like to see a haggie that doesn't screw teachers over in some way. Some might think they haven't been screwed, but that's only because they aren't aware of it. Haggie owners care about their bottom line, and don't care how their foreign teacher is fitting in or if the kids are actually learning anything. Screw hagwon owners. They are total bottom-feeders. |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Julius wrote: |
skeeterses wrote: |
within the next 5 years there should be an ample supply of bilingual Koreans who can teach English to the other Koreans. |
No, because the ones that learn English well mostly emigrate and don't return.
And in any case, a korean with a good knowledge of english still cannot, ever, match a native speaker to whom english is his mother tongue. |
That and any Koreans who become fluent in English are either going to tutor privately for huge cash or will be well educated enough to blag a good chabol job. |
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: Do you feel bad for hagwon owners who can't find FT's? |
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periwinkle wrote: |
atomic42 wrote: |
Do you feel bad for hagwon owners who can't find foreign teachers due to the new government policies to protect Sparkling from the pedophiles, drug abusers and filth from abroad? |
Some ppl actually do feel sorry for haggie owners- kills me. I'd like to see a haggie that doesn't screw teachers over in some way. Some might think they haven't been screwed, but that's only because they aren't aware of it. Haggie owners care about their bottom line, and don't care how their foreign teacher is fitting in or if the kids are actually learning anything. Screw hagwon owners. They are total bottom-feeders. |
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen you show so much .... hate?
I'll stick with my assertion that hogwans have never done any bad by me. But hey, I'm tall, clean, and "handsome". Everything anyone needs to get on well in Korea. |
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