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legalquestions
Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: Korean teachers get "3 strikes" before being punis |
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| Anyone else read this article in the Korean Herald yesterday? Korean teachers caught three times for taking bribes, leaking test questions, commiting sexual acts against minor students, etc., will be dismissed for good? Maybe I misread the article? One or two times is ok, I guess! |
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Fat_Elvis
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: In the ghetto
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| There's a 'three strikes and you're out' rule for taking bribes, but sexual violence against minors, leaking test questions etc would result in instant dismissal and criminal charges being laid. |
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legalquestions
Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| Fair enough, but what kind of country allows teachers to get caught taking bribes three times before it considers punishing them? hahahaha, the joke is on Korea! |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: |
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Oops... I read wrong.
On the bribes... it was just in the last decade that the expectation was that teachers deserved a white envelope full of money (from every student).
My wife remembers that her elementary teacher excluded her from a class activity, and when my wife asked why, her teacher said, "Because your mother has done a very bad thing."
My wife cried to her mother about it, and she remembers how angry her mother was because the "bad thing" was that she'd forgotten to give the teacher a white envelope.
Old habits die hard, and I guess that they're trying to compensate for this. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
My wife remembers that her elementary teacher excluded her from a class activity, and when my wife asked why, her teacher said, "Because your mother has done a very bad thing."
My wife cried to her mother about it, and she remembers how angry her mother was because the "bad thing" was that she'd forgotten to give the teacher a white envelope. |
Wow. It makes me feel even more relieved my Korean girlfriend's pregnancy scare was a false alarm. My kids would've just have to cried it out and grown up faster than the other kids. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
My wife remembers that her elementary teacher excluded her from a class activity, and when my wife asked why, her teacher said, "Because your mother has done a very bad thing."
My wife cried to her mother about it, and she remembers how angry her mother was because the "bad thing" was that she'd forgotten to give the teacher a white envelope. |
When I taught in middle school (a "few" years ago), a teacher was fired for taking 촌지 (bribes to teachers) from her students. They caught her because she kept a spreadsheet on her computer with her class lists and who and when and how much was given to her.
They had JUST changed the law about receiving 촌지, and I believe she was the first one fired under the new law (at least the first one in our area).
That was 11-ish years ago. It still happens these days, but it's nowhere near as prevalent as it was and pretty much only with the older teachers. The younger gen of teachers don't like it because of experiences like above.
촌지 was a way to "supplement" a teacher's income, but now that their wages are much better than in years past, there is no reason for the practice to continue, excpet habit. |
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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: |
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3 Strikes and your out. Now let's analyze this logically. In Korea if you accept bribes, commit fraud, embezzelement etc, what are the actual chances of getting caught? Near zero.
So on the off 1 in 10,000 chance that you do actually get caught AND prosecuted (usually if the person says sorry nothing happens) it doesn't matter because you can do it again another 2 times.
Will these dissuade people. Mmmm nah, I don't think so.
MinSoo stop talking or you'll get punished.
MinSoo I mean it this time,
MinSoo I warned you, MinSoo I'm getting angry
MinSoo I'm giving you one more chance,
This time I really mean it, etc etc, etc
PATHETIC, no other word to describe it. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| As mentioned before, it does really comes down to compensation of teachers. In the past the pay was not that high. But these days it's dying, so in another generation it will be virtually eliminated. Kind of like cops back home way way back in the 50's and 60's, slip a 20bill with your license and registration and no speeding ticket. Or actually recently with the Calgary Police. |
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blaseblasphemener
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Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| As mentioned before, it does really comes down to compensation of teachers. In the past the pay was not that high. But these days it's dying, so in another generation it will be virtually eliminated. Kind of like cops back home way way back in the 50's and 60's, slip a 20bill with your license and registration and no speeding ticket. Or actually recently with the Calgary Police. |
have you done this? |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Aside from the compensation aspect, I think the old generation needs to die off to get ride of alot of the old-time 3rd world corruption, bribes and the lax public attitudes towards them (especially among the older generation).
Also, no the $20 dollar thing. Although one my of my science teachers who grew up in Ontario, in the 70's, would tell us odd stories and that was one of his stories. Although other dirty things still happen among the men in blue. In the late 90's Calgary brought in a total outsider to head the police force. Indicates some questionable practices in the forces. |
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