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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: Obama isn't ready to be president |
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Just watching the CNN debate, and I can't for the life of me see what people find so "charismatic" about Obama. He strikes me as a guy who is giving a university lecture, and who can't speak well off the cuff. I think his strategy of always talking about how he will be about "business not as usual" will wear out, as his actual policies don't seem as different from the status quo as Edwards.
I laughed when Hillary said Bush had disgraced the national image of the U.S.A. Yes Hillary, he has, with your implicite help every step of the way in the Iraq occupation.
Edwards is clearly the best candidate for the common man, black or white.
Too bad it will be Hillary in the White House. She'll do a good job, but Edwards would be the best. Obama? Maybe in 12 years... |
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Czarjorge

Joined: 01 May 2007 Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Edwards did vote for the war.
And apart from that have you actually looked into Edwards' message? He's playing the middle class populist for the purposes of the election. He is not the beacon of hope for the beourgeoisie that he portrays himself to be. He's "the face", a pretender who attempts to dupe the masses. Being a good politician doesn't make you a good leader. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Of course he's not ready!
What has he done during his political career?
He made a righteous speech at the DNC Convention in 2004.
He made a great speech at the JJ dinner in Iowa, and then won the Iowa caucuses.
He finished top at his class in Harvard law.
This is not a great resume for an aspiring President. |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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I thought Obama was the winner of that debate.
I'm more and more impressed wit him every time I see him speak. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Bush has had 7 years of experience as President, and I still wouldn't say he's ready.
Either you have the ability or you don't.
Obama has the ability even if he hasn't had all the experience. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer wrote: |
Bush has had 7 years of experience as President, and I still wouldn't say he's ready.
Either you have the ability or you don't.
Obama has the ability even if he hasn't had all the experience. |
Maybe in 12 years, but not now. He will get eaten alive if he takes the White House.
In the debate, he struck me as a guy who was trying to say all the right things. The president shouldn't go to a guy who tries to say the right things.
That's why I think McCain has the best chance for the Rep. nom.
Mark my words: Obama will not win, he will implode when the heat is on, and show his green-ness. |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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^ The heat was on him pretty hard during this past debate.
And Obama handled himself extremely well.
It's so refreshing to hear a politician who can put together a coherent thought. Especially with Bush being in office for the past 7 years. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: |
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blaseblasphemener wrote: |
In the debate, he struck me as a guy who was trying to say all the right things. The president shouldn't go to a guy who tries to say the right things.
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What? That's every politician, ever. In the history of politicians. All of them. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Kuros wrote: |
Of course he's not ready!
What has he done during his political career?
He made a righteous speech at the DNC Convention in 2004.
He made a great speech at the JJ dinner in Iowa, and then won the Iowa caucuses.
He finished top at his class in Harvard law.
This is not a great resume for an aspiring President. |
More Clinton smash and run politics as usual. Lies, lies and more lies. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:05 am Post subject: |
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I'm not fully convinced he's ready either. My only trepidation is his age/experience. I'm not ready to take that leap of faith quite yet, but each time I hear him speak, I get closer. Listen to his MLK Day speech that the_peel posted. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I'm not fully convinced he's ready either. My only trepidation is his age/experience. I'm not ready to take that leap of faith quite yet, but each time I hear him speak, I get closer. Listen to his MLK Day speech that the_peel posted. |
I plan to. One thing I've noticed is he's great on prepared stuff, ie. speeches, but when it's off the cuff, he seems unsure, or too careful. I thought Edwards and Clinton seemed far more sure of themselves.
I'm sure in the coming weeks, the true Obama, good or bad, will come through to the voters.
Let's hope some whack job doesn't try to keep a black man from the white house too. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:11 am Post subject: |
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Blast,
I find him very charasmatic and willing to work with all kinds of different people, including Republicans. Given the recent attacks by his oppenents, I have some doubts whether he will win or not. There are some candidates that have shown they are willing to say anything to get elected, even if it means spreading lies. People should be distressed that lies are more important then the issues. |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:30 am Post subject: |
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If it looks like McCain will be the Republican nominee, I think that most Democrats serious about winning will back Obama.
Too many people can't stand Hillary, and Bill's recent hatchet-jobs on her behalf are causing him to lose some popularity.
People want change, and I think that Obama has a broad enough base and enough key endorsements to win the whole thing. |
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Matt_22
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Kuros wrote: |
Of course he's not ready!
What has he done during his political career?
He made a righteous speech at the DNC Convention in 2004.
He made a great speech at the JJ dinner in Iowa, and then won the Iowa caucuses.
He finished top at his class in Harvard law.
This is not a great resume for an aspiring President. |
And what has Hillary done? She's been in the Senate no longer than Obama. Barack was also a state senator prior to heading to Washington, so he's got experience at elected positions at varying levels of the US government. And Hillary? Well, she was the cankled cut-throat hag who resided in the White House for eight years, and the governor's mansion in Arkansas prior to that. But since when does riding the coattails of your husband count as experience? She's earned her reputation as a calculating 13itch, and half the country already despises her. She's the leftist version of GWB, yet is likely more competent (who couldn't be??). Obama, on the other hand, is the most charismatic figure in US politics since Reagan or JFK, and also happens to frame his ideas in a way that speaks to the independents and moderates of the US - you know, the people who are sick and tired of dealing with the constant bullshit that partisan hacks like the Clintons and the Bushes bring to the table.
Is Obama ready to be president? Who knows. But America - not to mention the rest of the world - has been ready for a guy like him for a long time. About eight long years I'd say. |
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Tiger Beer

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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Rteacher wrote: |
If it looks like McCain will be the Republican nominee, I think that most Democrats serious about winning will back Obama.
Too many people can't stand Hillary, and Bill's recent hatchet-jobs on her behalf are causing him to lose some popularity.
People want change, and I think that Obama has a broad enough base and enough key endorsements to win the whole thing. |
Romney does have a lot more delegates.
McCain just makes more news when he wins a state than when Romney wins one. |
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