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| Which Republican will take Michigan? |
| Mitt Romney |
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41% |
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| Mike Huckabee |
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| John McCain |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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 Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: Which Republican will take Michigan? -Romney,McCain,Huckabee |
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Which Republican will take Michigan?
Romney, McCain or Huckabee? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I doubt it will be Huckabee. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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I voted Romney.
I haven't peeked at the polls on this one.
I think McCain is too straight-forward in an economically desperate state. Romney being a 'native-son' isn't going to help him, but his rhetoric will. I don't see the evangelical-Chuck Norris vote coming out to support the second-most historically important Governor of Arkansas. Romney wins by a tight margin. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll go with the Huckster. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Real Clear Politics has it:
Thompson... 4.8
Paul............6.6
Giuliani........8.0
Huckabee....16.8
Romney...... 22.4
McCain .......25.8
I went with the polls last time and said Obama would take New Hampshire, so this time I'll just arbitrarily pick Huckabee since I've lost all faith in polls. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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McCain:
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| "In some respects, Michigan is like the canary in the mine shaft: What Michigan is experiencing, the whole nation will experience unless we fix what's happening in Michigan and learn lessons here we can apply across the nation," |
The US is screwed if that's the case!
Michigan is fucked! High unemployment, most of the jobs going abroad, high crime in the urban cities, dilipitated inner cities with bars and thick plexiglass surrounding nearly every small business that do exist in Detroit (predominately only liquor stores and gas stations). Detroit and Flint are always in the top 5 for highest murder rates per capita in the country.
McCain's comments are interesting, but I don't see anyone with any solutions on how to reverse those things.
Maybe it's good Michigan did move their primary up, it would be good to have more politicians focus on a once great state that's best days do seem behind it.
Lastly McCain says:
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| "I had to give some straight talk," McCain said. "Jobs are leaving the state of Michigan. They have left and will not come back, but we're going to create jobs, we're going to create a new economy. This is the smartest technological place in America. We have the smartest people here. We can do it. We can create jobs here." |
That's some kind of flattering political talk there.
Smartest technological place in America? It's one of the most backwards, still producing autos on old broken molds completely unable to compete with the rest of the world. If Michigan descibes what the rest of America is going to be in the future, we're all in trouble! |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
McCain:
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| "In some respects, Michigan is like the canary in the mine shaft: What Michigan is experiencing, the whole nation will experience unless we fix what's happening in Michigan and learn lessons here we can apply across the nation," |
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Doesn't it sound like McCain is trying to convince himself that Michigan matters?
McCain internal monologue: 'Well, we should give particular aid to MI, because if we don't, it could domino economically to other states. This would not be a violation of my fiscally conservative pork-busting principles, because of the afore-stated domino theory. MI is not a special interest...its the frontline in a war...a war on poverty! And of course a war is a war...but at least its not welfare!' |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Well at least Michigan will be good for some laughs on the Republican side. That is of course because most of the Democrats have bailed on the primary. We pretty much know who's going to win on the d side. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Well at least Michigan will be good for some laughs on the Republican side. That is of course because most of the Democrats have bailed on the primary. We pretty much know who's going to win on the d side. |
Bad move by the Democrats. They could become like Guiliani in that state with the undecided. Once they hear countless Romney, Huckabee, McCain ads, they'll probably be thinking of those in the General Election as well in November.
Too bad too, as I'm sure both Clinton and Obama would be very popular in that state.
Michigan could very well become the Florida of 2000 and the Ohio of 2004. Solidly Democrat state for years, it seems to have slightly been slipping more and more to the 'red' side every year. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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TB,
Well the problem really lies with the state and the DNC since the legislature moved the primary. You are right, it could end up costing D's the election. Hopefully not, but we won't know anything for months. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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Yeah, Tiger Beer is right about Detroit. I was on tour with my college band and we played a show in Detroit. I suppose it was in a bad neighborhood, but I didn't really see any good neighborhoods. On our way out it was raining and it we all had a severe "Bladerunner" flashback. It was by far the worst city I've seen in person, and I've been to East St. Louis.
I picked Romney. I think the "native son" business might play. And I'm hoping McCain doesn't get the nomination. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, Tiger Beer is right about Detroit. I was on tour with my college band and we played a show in Detroit. I suppose it was in a bad neighborhood, but I didn't really see any good neighborhoods. On our way out it was raining and it we all had a severe "Bladerunner" flashback. It was by far the worst city I've seen in person, and I've been to East St. Louis.
I picked Romney. I think the "native son" business might play. And I'm hoping McCain doesn't get the nomination. |
I grew up in Michigan, and later moved to New York City. Everything in NYC feels and looks MUCH better. At least there are people around and businesses of all kinds everywhere. Even places like Harlem have a lot of money and wealth around. Normal businesses.
Detroit looks like a war zone is going on or a nuclear bomb hit it to top things off and just the survivors roam the streets looking for who knows what. Some of the thickest plexiglasses and bars on the few businesses that do exist.
Thinking of Detroit though. In the suburbs, it has the largest Middle East populations in the world outside of the Middle East. Wonder how they are thinking of voting, I'm sure there is someone interviewing them. Back in the day, Saddam Hussein was even given the symbolic 'keys to the city' of Detroit in his honor.
During the beginning of the War in Iraq, I remember the Detroit Free Press covered local Iraqi-Americans takes on the war. Wonder if they are doing any pieces now with the upcoming election. Generally though, typical of most immigrant groups, they become very pro-American and pro-war and pro-whatever it takes to look as American as possible. So difficult to say. Interesting nontheless. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
Thinking of Detroit though. In the suburbs, it has the largest Middle East populations in the world outside of the Middle East. Wonder how they are thinking of voting, I'm sure there is someone interviewing them. Back in the day, Saddam Hussein was even given the symbolic 'keys to the city' of Detroit in his honor.
During the beginning of the War in Iraq, I remember the Detroit Free Press covered local Iraqi-Americans takes on the war. Wonder if they are doing any pieces now with the upcoming election. Generally though, typical of most immigrant groups, they become very pro-American and pro-war and pro-whatever it takes to look as American as possible. So difficult to say. Interesting nontheless. |
They're also generally pro-Democrat. Given the Republicans stance on immigration (Bush and McCain excluded), I'd say they'd be more in favor to vote for the Dems. Throw in the whole Iraq debacle, and I can't imagine them voting for any Republican really.
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Doesn't it sound like McCain is trying to convince himself that Michigan matters?
McCain internal monologue: 'Well, we should give particular aid to MI, because if we don't, it could domino economically to other states. This would not be a violation of my fiscally conservative pork-busting principles, because of the afore-stated domino theory. MI is not a special interest...its the frontline in a war...a war on poverty! And of course a war is a war...but at least its not welfare!' |
Actually McCain was pushing alternative energy and said that new types of jobs in MI could be created if the Big 3 were able to come up with innovative cars that were even more efficient and less dependent on oil than the present hybrids. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Just looked up the candidates on here for alternative energy and oil:
http://www.issues2000.org/Energy_+_Oil.htm
Hiliary:
Investigate & move toward energy efficiency and conservation. (Oct 2007)
Invest in alternative energy; jobs that won't be outsourced. (Aug 2007)
Energy Independence 2020: $50B for Strategic Energy Fund. (Jun 2007)
Extensive funding into alternative energy. (Jun 2007)
Will make big oil fund alternative energy research. (Feb 2007)
emove energy dependence on countries who would harm us. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Edwards:
(Never mentions it)
Guiliani:
(Never mentions it)
Huckabee:
Ethanol & biofuels are part of future energy. (Oct 2007)
Promote alternative fuel technology. (Nov 2002)
McCain:
Public pressure on oil industry to invest in alternatives. (Oct 2007)
Ethanol made no sense in `05 but with $60/bbl it makes sense. (May 2007)
Supports alternative fuels, emission controls, & CWA. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Obama:
Fuel efficiency and Middle East stability help on fuel costs. (Oct 2007) Wants Detroit to build more hybrids & use more ethanol. (Oct 2006)
Conserve, develop alternative fuels, increase efficiencies. (Oct 2004)
Sponsored legislations that improve energy efficiency. (Sep 2004)
20% nation's power supply from renewable sources by 2020. (Sep 2004)
20% renewable energy by 2020. (Jul 2004)
Invest in alternative energy sources. (Jun 2004)
Tradable credits for renewable energy. (Jun 2004)
Renewable Fuels Standard: require ethanol in fuel supply. (May 2004) Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
Romney:
(Never mentions it) |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: |
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for the record
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HOMESTEAD, Fla. - As pit crews made last-minute inspections to their cars Sunday at NASCAR's Ford 400 at Homestead-Miami Speedway, Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani stressed the need for America to break its dependence on foreign oil.
Giuliani likened the pursuit of energy independence and the development of alternative energy sources to the race to put a man on the moon several decades ago.
"Now it's a matter truly of national security," Giuliani said. "We have to pursue all of those alternatives that exist."
In the meantime, Giuliani said, the U.S. needs to focus on domestic sources of oil, as well as oil from friendly countries like Mexico and Canada. He said conservation also will have to play a role. |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21880009/
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On his official campaign site, www.mittromney.com, Mitt Romney has a section devoted to his stands on political issues called "Issue Watch". In the page on "Energy", he is quoted as saying:
"We're using too much oil... We have an answer. We can use alternative sources of energy -- biodiesel, ethanol, nuclear power -- and we can drill for more oil here. We can be more energy independent and we can be far more efficient in the use of that energy."
- Governor Romney, Waterloo Courier, September 29, 2006
This is a somewhat vague stance to have on such an important issue. In one brief paragraph, his motivation for pursuing alternative energy and drilling for more oil in America is summarized as: "we must become independent from foreign sources of oil". Thus, his reasoning behind any reduction in energy consumption is political; he implies that a reduction in oil consumption would reduce our ties to the Middle East, which he vehemently crusades against on other parts of his site. He makes no mention of climate change, which should be a major issue in politics right now considering the most recent data taken at the North pole, which shows dramatic and unexpected decreases in the size of the ice sheets this summer. Instead, he suggests oil drilling in the Arctic national Wildlife Refuge, which would wreak havoc on the natural environment there.
In a press release from Thursday, Mar 08, 2007, Romney states that he is willing to fund research for alternative energy such as �biodiesel, ethanol, nuclear, and coal gasification�, but he makes no mention of how much money he will allocate to this research.
As governor of Massachusetts, Romney allowed the passage of Massachusetts Climate Protection Plan , which committed Massachusetts to achieve ten specific goals, including the reduction of "GHG emissions to 1990 levels by the year 2010" and in the long term, a reduction in CO2 levels to "75-85% below current levels" ( Massachusetts State Government). However, when he announced the passage of this plan, Romney seemed ambivalent about the veracity of climate change. In an official letter attached to the plan, he stated, "If climate change is happening, the actions we take will help�If climate change is largely caused by human action, this will really help. If we learn decades from now that climate change isn't happening, these actions will still help our economy, our quality of life, and the quality of our environment" (Ebbert). Today, as he adopts a running platform that he believes will appeal to conservative America, Romney seems unlikely to strive to implement a similar program on the national level. In a February 2007 press release, Governor Romney stated, "Unfortunately, some in the Republican Party are embracing the radical environmental ideas of the liberal left. As governor, I found that thoughtful environmentalism need not be anti-growth and anti-jobs. But Kyoto-style sweeping mandates, imposed unilaterally in the United States, would kill jobs, depress growth and shift manufacturing to the dirtiest developing nations." Governor Romney is concerned about the economic implications of environmental reforms, and is presumably unwilling to strive for better fuel economy standards or any serious reduction in CO2 emissions. He is only willing to support research as a means to reduce oil consumption because he believes it will create jobs and benefit the economy. |
http://climatechange101.blogspot.com/2007/11/mitt-romney.html |
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