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Hotpants
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 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:26 am Post subject: 4000 ex-Nova teachers applied for SMOE/GEPIK/EPIK jobs |
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I'm not sure if this news has already appeared on the board, but a couple of days ago, I read in the latest edition of ELGazette that 4000 ex-Nova (For those who don't know Nova, it was a GIANT chain of Hagwon schools in Japan which went bankrupt a few months ago) teachers from Japan have applied for this year's round of Korean government school jobs.
This is quite a large number of teachers entering the Korean job market and seems to counter the predictions of continued teacher shortages. Such teachers could up the competition, since they already come with experience under their belt.
Is anyone worried of a jobs shortage or deflating wages?? |
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VanIslander
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are those guys ever in for a rude awakening  |
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ttompatz
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: |
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Not to mention that as new E2 applicants they have to meet the "new" requirements for E2 applications including the apostilled CRC, transcripts and degree parchment.
Not worried in the least. |
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yingwenlaoshi
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Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| are those guys ever in for a rude awakening |
Hope for their sakes they have their medical and criminal checks. Or maybe there'll be an exception to the exception of the exception made for people coming from Japan.
But then again, isn't Korea phasing out foreign teachers in public schools by 2010? Or are they trying to put one in every school? Hmm.
Or wait. What about Southeast Asian teachers? Teachers from India? Ooh.
It's hard to care anymore.
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lucas_p
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| VanIslander wrote: |
| are those guys ever in for a rude awakening |
Hope for their sakes they have their medical and criminal checks. Or maybe there'll be an acception to the acception of the acception made for people coming from Japan.
But then again, isn't Korea phasing out foreign teachers in public schools by 2010? Or are they trying to put one in every school? Hmm.
Or wait. What about Southeast Asian teachers? Teachers from India? Ooh.
It's hard to care anymore. |
exception, exception, exception. Sorry  |
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fred_c
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: Re: 4000 ex-Nova teachers applied for SMOE/GEPIK/EPIK jobs |
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Such teachers could up the competition, since they already come with experience under their belt.
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From what I've heard, teaching experience in Korea doesn't count for much when searching for a job in Japan. I assume the opposite would also hold true. |
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yingwenlaoshi
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| lucas_p wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| VanIslander wrote: |
| are those guys ever in for a rude awakening |
Hope for their sakes they have their medical and criminal checks. Or maybe there'll be an acception to the acception of the acception made for people coming from Japan.
But then again, isn't Korea phasing out foreign teachers in public schools by 2010? Or are they trying to put one in every school? Hmm.
Or wait. What about Southeast Asian teachers? Teachers from India? Ooh.
It's hard to care anymore. |
exception, exception, exception. Sorry |
Yes, me no Englishee. Sowy. I always have to think before I use either one of those. Strangee. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: Re: 4000 ex-Nova teachers applied for SMOE/GEPIK/EPIK jobs |
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| Hotpants wrote: |
I'm not sure if this news has already appeared on the board, but a couple of days ago, I read in the latest edition of ELGazette that 4000 ex-Nova (For those who don't know Nova, it was a GIANT chain of Hagwon schools in Japan which went bankrupt a few months ago) teachers from Japan have applied for this year's round of Korean government school jobs.
This is quite a large number of teachers entering the Korean job market and seems to counter the predictions of continued teacher shortages. Such teachers could up the competition, since they already come with experience under their belt.
Is anyone worried of a jobs shortage or deflating wages?? |
I call BS on where ELGazette came up with that stat. There were 4000 foreign teachers working for Nova, who became jobless. For ELGazette's stats to be right, every single ex-Nova teacher had to have applied to Korean public school jobs. Every single one of them leaving behind other job opportunities in Japan that they might have, their private lessons (privates are legal in Japan, I might add), their local GF or BF, their social network. All for Korea public schools. And none of those 4000 were so fed up with teaching that they decided to pack it in and go back to the West.
Another reason why the stat is BS, is that the 'new Nova', known as G.education, took over 126 of the 600+ former Nova outlets and re-hired many ex-Nova teachers (they actually promised to hire back a lot of ex-Nova staff, but that fell through and they hired less than planned.)
And if you follow the Nova forums at Gaijinpot.com, the conversation trend sounds more like of those who were not re-hired by new Nova, or found jobs elsewhere in Japan, many went back home. And certainly not 100% of ex-Nova teachers applying for Korean public schools.
I don't know who wrote that article, but they definitely need to stop relying on bar stool speculation for their sources.
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[email protected]
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:50 am Post subject: Yay! |
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| I hope we can find some more quality teachers now. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:13 am Post subject: Re: 4000 ex-Nova teachers applied for SMOE/GEPIK/EPIK jobs |
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| fred_c wrote: |
| Hotpants wrote: |
Such teachers could up the competition, since they already come with experience under their belt.
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From what I've heard, teaching experience in Korea doesn't count for much when searching for a job in Japan. I assume the opposite would also hold true. |
Not at all. An American teacher from the USA is valued at a higher degree in Chile than an American teacher from Chile is valued in the USA. I don't know the specific values of teachers traveling from Japan to Korea and vica-versa, but all-in-all, Japan is more-respected in terms of education and achievement than Korea. |
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Sody
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I will bet everything I own that the stat is incorrect. The majority of people who teach in Japan, would not want to work in Korea.
Those who are coming over are truly going to be in for a very rude awakening. As for the experience they bring, I find a lot of that to be speculation and very doubtful. I used to work in Japan before Korea and there were Nova teachers who were better than JET native English speakers and there were ALTs who were better than any teachers I've ever seen. It varies like Korea.
The standards are very low in Korea compared to Japan, I don't think those teachers are gonna like it here. At least not at first. |
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Hotpants
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| The standards are very low in Korea compared to Japan |
I would disagree...
Many teachers who go to Japan are first-time TEFLers, just like in Korea, and the standard of English education in Japan falls way below that of Korea.
...however, there are some 'acceptions':
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Or maybe there'll be an acception to the acception of the acception made for people coming from Japan.
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But yeah, I did think the 4000 figure quoted was a bit high. I can't find the article online, so I guess I'll have to somehow retrieve our school's printed copy from whoever has it now... Perhaps I made an error in the quote, but I could swear they mentioned someone from the MoE quoting an applicant count of 4000, the majority of which were ex-Nova teachers. |
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expat2001
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: Re: 4000 ex-Nova teachers applied for SMOE/GEPIK/EPIK jobs |
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| Hotpants wrote: |
I'm not sure if this news has already appeared on the board, but a couple of days ago, I read in the latest edition of ELGazette that 4000 ex-Nova (For those who don't know Nova, it was a GIANT chain of Hagwon schools in Japan which went bankrupt a few months ago) teachers from Japan have applied for this year's round of Korean government school jobs.
This is quite a large number of teachers entering the Korean job market and seems to counter the predictions of continued teacher shortages. Such teachers could up the competition, since they already come with experience under their belt.
Is anyone worried of a jobs shortage or deflating wages?? |
4 000 ..??cmon!
Im sure that a few did ,but not all 4000
The world of ESL doesnt end at the South Korean boaders, there are other countries and other continents
I think it will be a long time before Gepik fills all its jobs |
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expat2001
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Yay! |
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Why would you assume that those who taught in Japan are any more qualified then those who taught in Korea |
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expat2001
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Not to mention that as new E2 applicants they have to meet the "new" requirements for E2 applications including the apostilled CRC, transcripts and degree parchment.
Not worried in the least. |
Sooner or later the average expat get use to the fact that we have to jump thru all these hoops to get work in korea.At some point , the foreigner community will no longer care. It is a pain in the but , however , it could be worse |
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