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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: E-2 Visa applications down/ wages to go up |
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This is an article in Korean which suggests that wages for English teachers will increase due to a decline in the number of E-2 visa applicants. I don't have time to translate the rest of it - typing is tough with a broken arm - but those who speak Korean will get the gist of it.
국인 강사 품귀 현상이 나타나면서 강사의 보수와 소개료도 오르고 있다.
While the number of foreign teachers is decreasing salaries are increasing.
http://article.joins.com/article/article.asp?total_id=3012400 |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: E-2 Visa applications down/ wages to go up |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
This is an article in Korean which suggests that wages for English teachers will increase due to a decline in the number of E-2 visa applicants. I don't have time to translate the rest of it - typing is tough with a broken arm - but those who speak Korean will get the gist of it.
국인 강사 품귀 현상이 나타나면서 강사의 보수와 소개료도 오르고 있다.
While the number of foreign teachers is decreasing salaries are increasing.
http://article.joins.com/article/article.asp?total_id=3012400 |
A hogwon that's renowned for S.A.T. prep classes asked me to work in one of their branch schools for 2.5 days per week for 2 million plus all the other stuff - including a sponsored visa run to HK.
I'm holding out for something better. If the woman throws into the deal weekly freebies on Hooker Hill, a lifetime supply of Burger King coupons, a 1966 Mustang, and a new computer, I'll accept her offer.
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
This is an article in Korean which suggests that wages for English teachers will increase due to a decline in the number of E-2 visa applicants. I don't have time to translate the rest of it - typing is tough with a broken arm - but those who speak Korean will get the gist of it.
국인 강사 품귀 현상이 나타나면서 강사의 보수와 소개료도 오르고 있다.
While the number of foreign teachers is decreasing salaries are increasing.
http://article.joins.com/article/article.asp?total_id=3012400 |
Discussion of that translated article is going on here:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=111353
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the link and translation. It's hardly surprising. The laws of supply and demand are more than theoretical ideas. |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: E-2 Visa applications down/ wages to go up |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
This is an article in Korean which suggests that wages for English teachers will increase due to a decline in the number of E-2 visa applicants. I don't have time to translate the rest of it - typing is tough with a broken arm - but those who speak Korean will get the gist of it.
국인 강사 품귀 현상이 나타나면서 강사의 보수와 소개료도 오르고 있다.
While the number of foreign teachers is decreasing salaries are increasing.
http://article.joins.com/article/article.asp?total_id=3012400 |
Yesterday in the Korea Times on the front page above the fold was a big article about ambassadors from other countries where English is an official language -- Pakistan, India, Phillipines -- complaining about the E-2 visa begin restricted to just degenerates from the 6 English-speaking countries.   Just kidding about them calling E-2s degenerates but the rest is true. But they did say teachers from their countries would fit into Korean society better because of shared "Confucionist values."
Be very difficult, I think, for wages to rise much (or even stay the same) if English teachers have to start competing with people form 3rd world countries. So, I guess that's what this globalization that the right has been cheering for for the past 30 years or so is all about. A race to the bottom in regards to wages, benefits, safety, etc. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: E-2 Visa applications down/ wages to go up |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| ...Be very difficult, I think, for wages to rise much (or even stay the same) if English teachers have to start competing with people form 3rd world countries. So, I guess that's what this globalization that the right has been cheering for for the past 30 years or so is all about. A race to the bottom in regards to wages, benefits, safety, etc. |
Korean parents (correctly) don't believe that teachers from Third World countries where English is the second language are comparable to Native English speakers. If they come, they'll be competing with Korean English teachers for jobs as second-tier teachers. |
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Rumple
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: E-2 Visa applications down/ wages to go up |
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| hari seldon wrote: |
| ]Korean parents (correctly) don't believe that teachers from Third World countries where English is the second language are comparable to Native English speakers. If they come, they'll be competing with Korean English teachers for jobs as second-tier teachers. |
English is not a second language to an awful lot of people in India and the Philippines; it is a native language. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: E-2 Visa applications down/ wages to go up |
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| Rumple wrote: |
| English is not a second language to an awful lot of people in India and the Philippines; it is a native language. |
No, it is not.
In the Philippines for example, native Filipino languages (Tagalog in the north or Bisayan in the central and southern regions) are the main language of instruction at all public primary schools until the high school level. English is just another academic subject like math and science.
There is a call to change back to using English as the language of instruction. It will be a major election issue in the next presidential and congressional elections.
English was discontinued as the primary language of instruction when Corry Acquino came to power in the 1986 people power revolution.
English competency has dropped to less than 30% of the adult population from a pre 1986 high of close to 75% and fluency is less than 20% of the adult population. (source: Dep. Ed., Cebu district, white paper on English fluency, Aug. 2007)
Similar statistics exist in India (UN HDI, 2005).
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: E-2 Visa applications down/ wages to go up |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| Be very difficult, I think, for wages to rise much (or even stay the same) if English teachers have to start competing with people form 3rd world countries. So, I guess that's what this globalization that the right has been cheering for for the past 30 years or so is all about. A race to the bottom in regards to wages, benefits, safety, etc. |
Too bad 75% of hagwon cash inflow never sees the teacher. I can see a Filipino hagwon charging 130,000 per month, and a hagwon with an American charging 190,000 per month. Where will the students go? |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: E-2 Visa applications down/ wages to go up |
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| Rumple wrote: |
| hari seldon wrote: |
| Korean parents (correctly) don't believe that teachers from Third World countries where English is the second language are comparable to Native English speakers. If they come, they'll be competing with Korean English teachers for jobs as second-tier teachers. |
English is not a second language to an awful lot of people in India and the Philippines; it is a native language. |
Obviously you've never visited either country or you wouldn't post this tripe. On a daily basis, Indians speak Hindi (or one of several other native languages) and Filipinos speak Tagalog. English is a second language. |
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Rumple
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: E-2 Visa applications down/ wages to go up |
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| hari seldon wrote: |
| Rumple wrote: |
| hari seldon wrote: |
| Korean parents (correctly) don't believe that teachers from Third World countries where English is the second language are comparable to Native English speakers. If they come, they'll be competing with Korean English teachers for jobs as second-tier teachers. |
English is not a second language to an awful lot of people in India and the Philippines; it is a native language. |
Obviously you've never visited either country or you wouldn't post this tripe. On a daily basis, Indians speak Hindi (or one of several other native languages) and Filipinos speak Tagalog. English is a second language. |
Mmm, spoken like a two-week Luzon tourist.
Tagalog and English are BOTH official languages of the Philippines.
Hindi is only the primary tongue of about 30% of Indians. Obviously you didn't get around much. Visit Tamil and you won't hear much Hindi. |
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boyne11
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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It would be quite amusing to hear Koreans speak English with funky Indian tone which always reminds of 7-11 stores.  |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: E-2 Visa applications down/ wages to go up |
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| Rumple wrote: |
| hari seldon wrote: |
| Rumple wrote: |
| hari seldon wrote: |
| Korean parents (correctly) don't believe that teachers from Third World countries where English is the second language are comparable to Native English speakers. If they come, they'll be competing with Korean English teachers for jobs as second-tier teachers. |
English is not a second language to an awful lot of people in India and the Philippines; it is a native language. |
Obviously you've never visited either country or you wouldn't post this tripe. On a daily basis, Indians speak Hindi (or one of several other native languages) and Filipinos speak Tagalog. English is a second language. |
Mmm, spoken like a two-week Luzon tourist.
Tagalog and English are BOTH official languages of the Philippines.
Hindi is only the primary tongue of about 30% of Indians. Obviously you didn't get around much. Visit Tamil and you won't hear much Hindi. |
To repeat, I posted: On a daily basis, Indians speak Hindi (or one of several other native languages) and [most] Filipinos speak Tagalog. English is a second language.
I stand by these statements and defy you to prove otherwise. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Agree with hari; official language is not necessarily the same thing as first or native language. Come to think of it the USA has no "official" language I could be mistaken on that. while India does have English as its official language.
By the way, shouldn't Jamaica be considered a native English place? |
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spyro25
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I stand by these statements and defy you to prove otherwise. |
you fail at life |
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