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regicide
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: Caroline Kennedy endorses Barack Obama |
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NEW YORK - The daughter of President John F. Kennedy endorsed Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, saying he could inspire Americans in the same way her father once did.
"I have never had a president who inspired me the way people tell me that my father inspired them," Caroline Kennedy wrote in an op-ed posted Saturday on the Web site of The New York Times. "But for the first time, I believe I have found the man who could be that president � not just for me, but for a new generation of Americans."
Kennedy, who was four days shy of her 6th birthday when her father was assassinated, wrote that Obama "has a special ability to get us to believe in ourselves, to tie that belief to our highest ideals and imagine that together we can do great things."
And she appealed to other parents to pick a candidate who she said could invigorate a younger generation that is too often "hopeless, defeated and disengaged."
Kennedy wrote that she wants a president "who appeals to the hopes of those who still believe in the American Dream, and those around the world who still believe in the American ideal; and who can lift our spirits, and make us believe again that our country needs every one of us to get involved." |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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And my sister, who probably carries as much weight in the Democratic Party, endorses Hillary Clinton. Whachagonnado? |
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flummuxt

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy:
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And my sister, who probably carries as much weight in the Democratic Party, endorses Hillary Clinton. Whachagonnado? |
Oh?
Was your sister's father assassinated when she was a child, too? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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flummuxt wrote: |
Ya-ta Boy:
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And my sister, who probably carries as much weight in the Democratic Party, endorses Hillary Clinton. Whachagonnado? |
Oh?
Was your sister's father assassinated when she was a child, too? |
Indeed. And does your sister have an uncle who is a US Senator?
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I'm sure we all know by now that Caroline Kennedy (sans Schlossberg) endorsed Obama in the NY Times.
And now we're hearing that Ted Kennedy is endorsing Obama as well.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/ted_kennedy_end.html
As huge as that is what really hit me was the location Senator Kennedy is chose to make his announcement:
"Kennedy confidantes told the Globe today that the Bay State's senior senator will appear with Obama and Kennedy's niece, Caroline Kennedy, at a morning rally at American University in Washington tomorrow to announce his support."
I'm very proud of Senator Kennedy for having the wisdom to take this stand... especially from this time and place.
"We must all, in our daily lives, live up to the age-old faith that peace and freedom walk together."
--John F. Kennedy
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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While Caroline's endorsement is insignificant (she's a nice woman, but has never been political and so carries no weight and can deliver no votes but her own) that of Senator Kennedy's is significant. The two announced together mean the Kennedy family is throwing their support, and all that might mean, behind Obama.
This is a major gain for Obama and a major defeat for the Clintons. She's lost the support of the liberal wing of the Party. |
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Kuros
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
[the ednorsement] of Senator Kennedy's is significant. The two announced together mean the Kennedy family is throwing their support, and all that might mean, behind Obama.
This is a major gain for Obama and a major defeat for the Clintons. She's lost the support of the liberal wing of the Party. |
I agree its significant, and its unfortunate that Sen. Kennedy is respected after Chippuaquata (sp?)
I still remember back in the early 90s when Romney challenged Kennedy for his seat. I was definitely pro-Romney at the time. Kennedy is a scumbag. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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In spite of what Teddy did or didn't do that night 30 years ago, since then he has become a major player in the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. I don't want to overstate the case, but this endorsement may be the turning point in the primaries.
I think it's no accident that the announcement came after Obama proved he can pull young white voters in Iowa and South Carolina. The Kennedys are saying, "It's time". |
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Kuros
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
this endorsement may be the turning point in the primaries.
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I doubt it. Endorsements are not that powerful. Even if this is a turning point, it would just be that Kennedy is acknowledging that SC is a turning point. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Most endorsements are next to worthless, you are right. In the present atmosphere, I think Kennedy's endorsement is worth a truckload of votes. He carries the mystic of the Kennedys, plus a leading role in the liberal wing of the party. Caroline's alone was worthless. But she is above reproach and by appearing with her damaged uncle she is lending him her moral authority.
This is political drama and symbolism of the first order.
I was never a Kennedy fan, but LOTS of people my age are. This endorsement will carry weight with white liberal supporters of Senator Clinton. I wouldn't recommend people stand in the doorway. They may well get trampled. |
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Kuros
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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I see, so the Kennedys want to prevent the creation of a liberal dynasty. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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I think the Kennedy clan has decided to pass the baton to Obama and spend whatever political capital they have to resurrect JFK's perceived legacy. Hillary Clinton's core supporters are older women voters. Caroline's endorsement will spring a fair number of them loose--at least that is what the symbolism means. |
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Kuros
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Caroline's endorsement will spring a fair number of them loose--at least that is what the symbolism means. |
Caroline's endorsement probably means a lot more than Senator 'I can't recall what happened that night' Kennedy's. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's symbiotic. The wounded banner-carrier and the virgin princess.
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To use a pop culture reference:
Remember the scene in Gone With The Wind when Scarlett and Melanie are at that fund-raising dance and Scarlett takes off her wedding ring and donates it, to the shock of the ladies of Atlanta? Melanie extends her moral authority like a cloak around Scarlett.
That's what Caroline appearing on stage with Teddy does. |
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regicide
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:01 am Post subject: |
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Kuros wrote: |
I agree its significant, and its unfortunate that Sen. Kennedy is respected after Chippuaquata (sp?)
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Chappaquiddick; its spelled Chappaquiddick. If you are going to put down the man, couldn't at least get that spelling right?
JFK was called "pond scum" and he probably was.
Chapter 7
The Control of the Kennedys
Threats & Chappaquiddick
Teddy was eliminated at Chappaquidick. It would have been a little over the top to kill a third Kennedy.
You the Jury -- Robert Cutler -- 1974
Here is what happened according to Cutler's analysis of the evidence. The Group hired several men and at least one woman to be at Chappaquiddick during the weekend of the yacht race and the planned party on the island. They ambushed Ted and Mary Jo after they left the cottage and knocked Ted out with blows to his head and body. They took the unconscious or semi-conscious Kennedy to Martha's Vineyard and deposited him in his hotel room. Another group took Mary Jo to the bridge in Ted's car, force fed her with a knock out potion of alcoholic beverage, placed her in the back seat, and caused the car to accelerate off the side of the bridge into the water. They broke the windows on one side of the car to insure the entry of water; then they watched the car until they were sure Mary Jo would not escape.
Mary Jo actually regained consciousness and pushed her way to the top of the car (which was actually the bottom of the car -- it had landed on its roof) and died from asphyxiation. The group with Teddy revived him early in the morning and let him know he had a problem. Possibly they told him that Mary Jo had been kidnapped. They told him his children would be killed if he told anyone what had happened and that he would hear from them. On Chappaquiddick, the other group made contact with Markham and Gargan, Ted's cousin and lawyer. They told both men that Mary Jo was at the bottom of the river and that Ted would have to make up a story about it, not revealing the existence of the group. One of the men resembled Ted and his voice sounded something like Ted's. Markham and Gargan were instructed to go the the Vineyard on the morning ferry, tell Ted where Mary Jo was, and come back to the island to wait for a phone call at a pay station near the ferry on the Chappaquiddick side.
The two men did as they were told and Ted found out what had happened to Mary Jo that morning. The three men returned to the pay phone and received their instructions to concoct a story about the "accident" and to report it to the police. The threat against Ted's children was repeated at that time.
Ted, Markham and Gargan went right away to police chief Arena's office on the Vineyard where Ted reported the so-called "accident." Almost at the same time scuba diver John Farror was pulling Mary Jo out of the water, since two boys who had gone fishing earlier that morning had spotted the car and reported it.
Ted called together a small coterie of friends and advisors including family lawyer Burke Marshall, Robert MacNamara, Ted Sorenson, and others. They met on Squaw Island near the Kennedy compound at Hyannisport for three days. At the end of that time they had manufactured the story which Ted told on TV, and later at the inquest. Bob Cutler calls the story, "the shroud." Even the most cursory examination of the story shows it was full of holes and an impossible explanation of what happened. Ted's claim that he made the wrong turn down the dirt road toward the bridge by mistake is an obvious lie. His claim that he swam the channel back to Martha's Vineyard is not believable. His description of how he got out of the car under water and then dove down to try to rescue Mary Jo is impossible. Markham and Gargan's claims that they kept diving after Mary Jo are also unbelievable.
The evidence for the Cutler scenario is substantial. It begins with the marks on the bridge and the position of the car in the water. The marks show that the car was standing still on the bridge and then accelerated off the edge, moving at a much higher speed than Kennedy claimed. The distance the car travelled in the air also confirms this. The damage to the car on two sides and on top plus the damage to the windshield and the rear view mirror stanchion [3] prove that some of the damage had to have been inflicted before the car left the bridge.
The blood on the back and on the sleeves of Mary Jo's blouse proves that a wound was inflicted before she left the bridge.[4] The alcohol in her bloodstream proves she was drugged, since all witnesses testified she never drank and did not drink that night. The fact that she was in the back seat when her body was recovered indicates that is where she was when the car hit the water. There was no way she could have dived downward against the inrushing water and moved from the front to the back seat underneath the upside-down seat back.
The wounds on the back of Ted Kennedy's skull, those just above his ear and the large bump on the top indicate he was knocked out. His actions at the hotel the next morning show he was not aware of Mary Jo's death until Markham and Gargan arrived. The trip to the pay phone on Chappaquiddick can only be explained by his receiving a call there, not making one. There were plenty of pay phones in or near Ted's hotel if he needed to make a private call. The tides in the channel and the direction in which Ted claimed he swam do not match. In addition it would have been a superhuman feat to have made it across the channel (as proven by several professionals who subsequently tried it).
Deputy Sheriff Christopher Look's testimony, coupled with the testimony of Ray LaRosa and two Lyons girls, proves that there were two people in Ted's car with Mary Jo at 12:45 PM. The three party members walking along the road south toward the cottage confirmed the time that Mr. Look drove by. He stopped to ask if they needed a ride. Look says that just prior to that he encountered Ted's car parked facing north at the juncture of the main road and the dirt road. It was on a short extension of the north-south section of the road junction to the north of the "T". He says he saw a man driving, a woman in the seat beside him, and what he thought was another woman lying on the back seat. He remembered a portion of the license plate which matched Ted's car, as did the description of the car. Markham, Gargan and Ted's driver's testimony show that someone they talked to in the pitch black night sounded like Ted and was about his height and build.
None of the above evidence was ever explained by Ted or by anyone else at the inquest or at the hearing on the case demanded by district attorney Edward Dinis. No autopsy was ever allowed on Mary Jo's body (her family objected), and Ted made it possible to fly her body home for burial rather quickly. Kennedy haters have seized upon Chappaquiddick to enlarge the sexual image now being promoted of both Ted and Jack Kennedy. Books like "Teddy Bare" take full advantage of the situation.
Just which operatives in the Power Control Group at the high levels or the lower levels were on Chappaquiddick Island? No definite evidence has surfaced as yet, except for an indication that there was at least one woman and at least three men, one of whom resembled Ted Kennedy and who sounded like him in the darkness. However, two pieces of testimony in the Watergate hearings provide significant clues as to which of the known JFK case conspirators may have been there. |
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JMO

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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:23 am Post subject: |
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If someone puts sp in brackets, it means they are unsure of the spelling.
I'm also not in the least bit surprised that Teddy is being incorporated into your madness. |
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