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ambvalent
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 Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: university director's threat for leaving |
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I'm sure there's information I could search for, but someone should want to hear this story anyway, and then perhaps someone can offer me some advice.
Signed a contract beginning in February 2007 ending Feb 2008 at a university.
No serious problems with management. I've missed less than 10 classes the whole year, all of which I had another teacher cover. We don't have "sick" days so that includes when I was sick. Never canceled a class, ever. I work hard, teach faithfully, always respected my superiors and coworkers. Worst I ever came to a dangerous atmosphere with the management is when I negotiated a higher overtime rate for the foreign teachers.
I get offers from several other universities, some without interview. Real universities...not like this place.
Tell the division director that I'm signing somewhere else. Long story short, he threatens not to let me go. "I'm worried that you wouldn't get a good letter of release from this university". Over a half-hour meeting, asks me to stay about 30 times, cycling through threats several times about how he could ruin my ability to get a job elsewhere if I don't resign. I don't loose my cool, and reinforcing my points in different ways again and again, just explain that the new job is a "promotion", and that of course I trust him...et al et al.
I couldn't believe this. I already signed elsewhere, and yes I need that "letter of release" even though my contract is ending. (What is UP with that?) Do his threats have any weight? Can he withhold that from me? I don't want my new director to hear his new ideas about my character.
I've worked in public and private institutions since coming to Korea, have met a few treacherous people but mostly have had good to great work environments. Even this job, at its worst, was always bearable. I mean I'm not there all day anyway, right? Honestly, I haven't even visited this site in a year because I have little interest with the info / complaining ratio. But here I am.
Unbelievable.
What am I facing? |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| If you're completing your full year/contracted period you don't need a letter of release....why would you? |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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Your contract ends THIS month, correct?
When is the new job scheduled to start?
If your current contract ends before the new one starts, i don''t understand why you need a release letter. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the release letter is needed in order to transfer and extend the visa. Otherwise, the OP has to let his visa expire and make a visa run to get a new one�and therefore become subject to all the background check and medical check nonsense. |
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TheChickenLover
Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: The Chicken Coop
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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If your contract finishes, you require nothing from him. That's the beauty of contracts, after they expire there is no more leverage.
This sounds like you are working at the Kunsan University Language Centre. I met that director a few times, what a nutcase.
Ignore the threats. They will try to convince you to stay, but they have zero impact once your term is up. Go to your new position & enjoy yourself. However, I am somewhat surprised at the university offerings of 1.5M a month at Mokpo  .
Go figure.
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the release letter is needed in order to transfer and extend the visa. Otherwise, the OP has to let his visa expire and make a visa run to get a new one�and therefore become subject to all the background check and medical check nonsense. |
Only a renewal with your current school can put a stop to that. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| the eye wrote: |
| Ut videam wrote: |
| I think the release letter is needed in order to transfer and extend the visa. Otherwise, the OP has to let his visa expire and make a visa run to get a new one�and therefore become subject to all the background check and medical check nonsense. |
Only a renewal with your current school can put a stop to that. |
KImmi's been saying you can renew and change employers in one stop if you bring the letter of release from the old school and the contract from the new one. Doing that prior to March 15 will allow one to take advantage of the grace period and avoid submitting the new documents. Don't take my word for it: there are several Q&A responses on the KImmi website laying this out.
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| You do need a letter stating your actual ending date. Many people just tend to say "letter of release" for that. Immi needs a letter to say when you are finished at your school when transfering your visa within 15 days of it expiring. Why they can't just look at the contract, who knows? |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: university director's threat for leaving |
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| ambvalent wrote: |
I'm sure there's information I could search for, but someone should want to hear this story anyway, and then perhaps someone can offer me some advice.
Signed a contract beginning in February 2007 ending Feb 2008 at a university.
No serious problems with management. I've missed less than 10 classes the whole year, (Out of what, 15 the whole semester?!) all of which I had another teacher cover. We don't have "sick" days so that includes when I was sick. Never canceled a class, ever. I work hard, teach faithfully, always respected my superiors and coworkers. Worst I ever came to a dangerous atmosphere with the management is when I negotiated a higher overtime rate for the foreign teachers.
I get offers from several other universities, some without interview. Real universities...not like this place.
Tell the division director that I'm signing somewhere else. Long story short, he threatens not to let me go. "I'm worried that you wouldn't get a good letter of release from this university". Over a half-hour meeting, asks me to stay about 30 times, cycling through threats several times about how he could ruin my ability to get a job elsewhere if I don't resign. I don't loose my cool, and reinforcing my points in different ways again and again, just explain that the new job is a "promotion", and that of course I trust him...et al et al.
I couldn't believe this. I already signed elsewhere, and yes I need that "letter of release" even though my contract is ending. (What is UP with that?) Do his threats have any weight? Can he withhold that from me? I don't want my new director to hear his new ideas about my character. (Seems to me you are a character.)
I've worked in public and private institutions since coming to Korea, have met a few treacherous people (Who exactly is the "treacherous" person this time?) but mostly have had good to great work environments. Even this job, at its worst, was always bearable. I mean I'm not there all day anyway, right? Honestly, I haven't even visited this site in a year because I have little interest with the info / complaining ratio. But here I am.[/b][b](Uh-huh...eyeroll come'n at ya.)
Unbelievable.
What am I facing? |
What's unbelievable is this thread has got "chump" written all over it. Plenty of guys out there would love to have that job at a university and you're just piss'n all over it. I'm surprised he didn't fire you. I would.... |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| KImmi's been saying you can renew and change employers in one stop if you bring the letter of release from the old school and the contract from the new one. There are several Q&A responses on the KImmi website laying this out. |
Yes, you can change employers in one stop.
But can you please show me the quote that says one is saved from satisfying the new requirements if one has not done so already. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: university director's threat for leaving |
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| kimchi_pizza wrote: |
| What's unbelievable is this thread has got "chump" written all over it. Plenty of guys out there would love to have that job at a university and you're just piss'n all over it. I'm surprised he didn't fire you. I would.... |
Um.... what? Finishing a contract and taking a new, better one elsewhere is "piss'n all over" the old one? Give me a break. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the release letter is needed in order to transfer and extend the visa. Otherwise, the OP has to let his visa expire and make a visa run to get a new one�and therefore become subject to all the background check and medical check nonsense. |
This is absolutely correct and is exactly what I am doing now. I need the letter of release from my school so that I can transfer my employment to my university starting in March. Otherwise, VISA run and background check, etc. |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| You do need a letter stating your actual ending date. Many people just tend to say "letter of release" for that. Immi needs a letter to say when you are finished at your school when transfering your visa within 15 days of it expiring. Why they can't just look at the contract, who knows? |
Ah, that sounds like the deal.
A return on a tourist visa should solve that, hmm? |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| the eye wrote: |
| Ut videam wrote: |
| KImmi's been saying you can renew and change employers in one stop if you bring the letter of release from the old school and the contract from the new one. There are several Q&A responses on the KImmi website laying this out. |
Yes, you can change employers in one stop.
But can you please show me the quote that says one is saved from satisfying the new requirements if one has not done so already. |
Korea Immigration Service website, Q&A, Question #1673 "Keep same E-2 but change jobs":
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welcome to the korea immigration service website.
as you know through press release,
the changed new regulation of E2visa take effect on December 15, 2007.
but, the Korea Immigration Service has granted in Korea three months grace periods for the E-2 teaching visa holders to prepare the criminal record checks.
so until march 15th, 2008, E-2visa holder who want to extension of residence with the same employer or change working place(after finished more than 10months of contract and agreement with the previous employer)don't need the criminal record check and health check.
in your case, your contract will ends at the end of febuary and you get a new job.
there is two ways.
first, with release agreement(contain change another institute or school), you can apply for change working place before period of stay at the immigration office without submitting the criminal record check, medical check.
second, if you apply for certificate of new E2visa issuance to change working place at the immigration office(visa run), you should submit the criminal record check.
thank you. |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
| Ut videam wrote: |
| I think the release letter is needed in order to transfer and extend the visa. Otherwise, the OP has to let his visa expire and make a visa run to get a new one�and therefore become subject to all the background check and medical check nonsense. |
This is absolutely correct and is exactly what I am doing now. I need the letter of release from my school so that I can transfer my employment to my university starting in March. Otherwise, VISA run and background check, etc. |
I see.
As far as I know though, this is not a permanent policy, correct? I was under the impression that it is part of a grace period to usher in these new regs. |
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