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Overpaid, the school tells me 7 months later?
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: Overpaid, the school tells me 7 months later? Reply with quote

This is a bizarre twist in an otherwise really good relationship with a school I worked for.

Background: I worked at a public school from June 2006-May 2007 and left at the end of May. My relationship with the school, the staff and the teachers was good and the kids were sad to see me leave. Everything was settled in terms of my pay and it was done quickly after (within days) I left.

I have kept in contact with the English coordinator there. She said she had some documents to sent me. My assumption was that the documents were how much I made last year for me to file taxes. I gave her my address and received the envelope today.

There was a letter that says I was overpaid for the last two months, plus my severence for a total of 542,000 won and asking for me to return the money. The letter states that the previous person who worked in the administration office made the mistake.

I'd like some honest non-snarky answer what people think I should do. I would also appreciate answers only from people who have been here longer then a year or two.

Thanks...

Edit: As I clarified later in this thread, it is not that I was over paid per se in salary (the total amount of my salary before taxes is correct), but that the deductions may have been messed up.


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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them you have the check, they just gotta come and pick it up from you in the US.
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passport220



Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the school clearly right?

If you are not sure but you think it could be true. It would be a dispute over the amount and you could offer half to settle the dispute. Things like this are done in business to keep good relationships in North America all the time; I am not sure how it would go over with your Korean school.

If you want to keep a good relationship with the school you might propose it to them and see how it goes.

If they want to get stubborn or belligerent, they have no recourse so tell them to take a walk.
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mistermasan



Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

were you, indeed, overpaid above and beyond the contract's delineation?
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pk,

The problem is I'm not in the US. Which explains why I got the letter in Korea.

MM,

As I said above 7 months later.

passport,

You are probably right.

So far, two of the three responses were unhelpful.

Let me add, my wife is Korean and her sister works at a public school. She called her sister to ask and the sister said don't pay it.

Anyway, I guess at this point, that's what I've choosen to do.


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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them you need everything broken down contractually and mathematically, in detail and in English, before you can consider sending the money. I'm sure they'd rather skip it than do the paperwork.

My hagwon wanted 100,000 won back after I left, and I wrote back explaining I needed to see their official tax papers before I would pay it, and they never wrote back.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You never answered OP. Were you overpaid?
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marlow,

The funny thing is they actually did do that. However, it is still confusing as to what they are talking about. It looks like not just one error in their favor, but it looks like there are several errors. That includes how much I paid for health insurance as well (meaning I overpaid).
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:

So far, the responses are unhelpful.


Why?

In short, you just want everyone to say that you should keep the money? The money, that, it seems they did, indeed, overpay you? (Since you're not flat out answering that question.)

OK, sure. Steal.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
You never answered OP. Were you overpaid?


Poet,

It is not clear whether I was or not. They sent documentation along with the letter, that is confusing. It appears several errors may have been made including how much I was charged for health insurance.

Short of flying on blind faith, I'm not going to repay it.
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
poet13 wrote:
You never answered OP. Were you overpaid?


Poet,

It is not clear whether I was or not. They sent documentation along with the letter, that is confusing. It appears several errors may have been made including how much I was charged for health insurance.

Short of flying on blind faith, I'm not going to repay it.


Do your own math, find out how much they overcharged you for health insurance (and probably tax) and send the bill back.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atavistic wrote:
Milwaukiedave wrote:

So far, the responses are unhelpful.


Why?

In short, you just want everyone to say that you should keep the money? The money, that, it seems they did, indeed, overpay you? (Since you're not flat out answering that question.)

OK, sure. Steal.


Atavistic,

First of all, the first two responses asked questions that were obvious. The third person, I corrected my response to them.

Is it stealing to come back and say almost a year later we made a mistake? What about if the proof they send you is so unclear that you are not sure what the hell they are talking about.


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marlow



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
Marlow,

The funny thing is they actually did do that. However, it is still confusing as to what they are talking about.


I wouldn't pay if I were confused.
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R. S. Refugee



Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marlow wrote:
Tell them you need everything broken down contractually and mathematically, in detail and in English, before you can consider sending the money. I'm sure they'd rather skip it than do the paperwork.

My hagwon wanted 100,000 won back after I left, and I wrote back explaining I needed to see their official tax papers before I would pay it, and they never wrote back.


Yes, you should be sure to get them to thoroughly document it before even considering to pay it. After all, they've already admitted to making one mistake with your pay calculations. How can you trust that they haven't made another one unless everything is broken down and thoroughly explained in English. I recommend doing this first.

Like Marlow said insisting on that may be as far as it ever goes. Further one down the road you still have the option of taking your sister-in-law's advice. But if the school doesn't get you all the documentation confirming the overpayment, then perhaps you can still remain on good terms with them without having to pay this money if they in fact are unable to follow through on your reasonable requests for documentation.

Edit: OK. Well I just read your latest post on the subject and see that they have broken it down but it's still confusing. So, my next suggestions are to go to the Seoul Migrant Workers Center, see a free Korean counselor who speaks reasonable English, explain what's confusing to you and see if they can understand the problem and determine if it's a valid request.

Or go to the free legal clinic at the Seoul Bar Association on Monydays 2 to 5 for a consultation with free English translation.

Of those 2 suggestions, I think maybe the Seoul M. W. C. might be the best.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the other posters.
Do your own math, and see if it agrees with their *new* math.
If you were overpaid, give it back.
If you weren't, or still aren't sure, then no, I wouldn't give them money either.
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