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If you support Obama, now is the time to step up
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: If you support Obama, now is the time to step up Reply with quote

For those of you who have said that you support Obama, the time is now to step up to the plate and help. Maybe you haven't donated money to candidates before. That was the case for me. I have donated time and money during this election and believe Barack Obama is the only candidate that bring about change.

Super Tuesday will be close and it very well could turn the page and make this a competitive race or close the door on this campaign.
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catman



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the Dems can win with Hillary. She will galvinize Republicans. Obama is their best chance.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe, but we may never know for sure.

Donate:

http://www.barackobama.com/
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zbigniew Brzezinski Now BO's Cabinet
by info source
Friday Feb 1st, 2008 2:07 AM

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When I first laid eyes on Barack Obama, giving the keynote nomination speech introducing John Kerry, I was excited to see such an articulate spokesman for the rest of us, the non-billionaires. I rode my bicycle to hear him speak at nearby Jefferson High School and liked what I saw: a handsome, caring, articulate, obviously electable Black man inspiring a multiracial crowd, which had been drawn to an African American neighborhood.

HOWEVER ...

I recently learned that Obama has taken on Zbigniew Brzezinski as his chief foreign policy advisor. Obama could not have taken on a more brazen spokesman for the super rich if he had hired Henry Kissinger, or even David Rockefeller himself!

Brzezinski was the architect of the current situation in the middle east.

Brzezinski brags of his role in destroying the socialist government in Afghanistan, by secretly arming and training the Taliban to take power; by secretly recruiting, arming and training Osama Bin Laden; he virtually invented armed Islamic extremism.

Brzezinski is the most prominent of Rockefeller servants, not merely a member, but a founder and director of the Rockefeller's Tri-Lateral commission, where the world's elite meet to plot, plan, and conspire against democratic movements and ideals on worldwide basis.

Until recently, full pages on Obama's website bragged about the relationship between Obama and Brzezinski. Most of these pages have been recently scrubbed from the website, but this information is still widely available on the web.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/3/vote_for_change_atrocity_linked_us

Obama has also brought on board two individuals, Anthony Lake and Richard Clarke, who I consider war criminals for their roles in enabling the genocide of 800,000 Africans in Rwanda. Lake's activities led directly to the deaths of 4 million more in Congo.

(Details below)

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/02/01/18476217.php
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
Maybe, but we may never know for sure.

Donate:

http://www.barackobama.com/


obama just reported taking in 32 million in january. If Obama loses, it won't be due to a lack of funds.
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus, MAJOR freaking sidescroll on this thread.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obama is Dick Cheney's long-lost cousin.

All the right "stuff" ...

BRZEZINSKI BOASTS OF STARTING THE AFGHAN WAR

Brzezinski was also the great promoter of Islamic fundamentalism, which he celebrated as the greatest bulwark against Soviet Russian communism. Using the Islamic faundamentalists, Brzezinski hoped to make the entire region between the southern border of the USSR and the Indian Ocean into an "arc of crisis," from which fundamentalist subversion would radiate into Soviet territory, first and foremost into the five Soviet republics of central Asia, Azerbaijan, etc. It was in the service of this Islamic fundamentalist card that Brzezinski first helped overthrow the Shah of Iran, and then insisted that the replacement could be no one else than Ayatollah Khomeini.

To magnify the impact of Khomeini, Brzezinski sent subversion teams into Afghanistan during the summer of 1979 to undermine the pro-Soviet forces there and induce Moscow to intervene. When the USSR invaded Afghanistan at Christmas 1979, Moscow claimed that they were responding to earlier aggressive moves into that country by the US.

In an interview about ten years ago, Brzezinski conceded that this had been true: Zbig had indeed sent subversion and terror teams into Aghanistan at least six months before the Soviet invasion., as is clear from this excerpt from that interview:

Brzezinski: According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalists, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

B: Nonsense!

(Nouvel Obsservateur, January 15-21, 1998)
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enns



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shit man, stay on topic. Stop trolling this board and spouting nonsense. You've created 13 threads on the first page alone, how many conspiracy theories and extreme-left links are you going to post?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
extreme-left links are you going to post?


That would be extreme RIGHT, but except for that, I agree. It's annoying to have to scroll past the same crap in thread after thread.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

enns wrote:
*beep* man, stay on topic. Stop trolling this board and spouting nonsense. You've created 13 threads on the first page alone, how many conspiracy theories and extreme-left links are you going to post?


enns,

Yes, despite many complaints the mods seem oblivious to IGTG's spamming the boards. The list of the users that have complained to the mods is pretty long, but seems to fall on deaf ear. Anyone else would have gotten banned by now.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
Milwaukiedave wrote:
Maybe, but we may never know for sure.

Donate:

http://www.barackobama.com/


obama just reported taking in 32 million in january. If Obama loses, it won't be due to a lack of funds.

And $21 million of that was from finance companies as payoff for BO's vote against a 30% limit on credit card interest rates. The sky's the limit now.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
bucheon bum wrote:
Milwaukiedave wrote:
Maybe, but we may never know for sure.

Donate:

http://www.barackobama.com/


obama just reported taking in 32 million in january. If Obama loses, it won't be due to a lack of funds.

And $21 million of that was from finance companies as payoff for BO's vote against a 30% limit on credit card interest rates. The sky's the limit now.


Do you have a link for that? It doesn't seem very Obama'esque.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepeel wrote:
bacasper wrote:
And $21 million of that was from finance companies as payoff for BO's vote against a 30% limit on credit card interest rates. The sky's the limit now.


Do you have a link for that? It doesn't seem very Obama'esque.

The money or the vote?
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I googled it.
Quote:


Borrowed Time

Clinton and Obama battled over their votes on bankruptcy bills and an amendment to cap interest charged on credit.

Clinton: There was a particular amendment that I think is very telling. It was an amendment to prohibit credit card companies from charging more than 30 percent interest. ... I voted for limiting to 30 percent what credit card companies could charge. Senator Obama did not. ...

Obama: It is a fact, because I thought 30 percent potentially was too high of a ceiling.

Obama did vote against � and Clinton voted for � an amendment that would have placed a 30 percent cap on the interest rate that could be charged on any extension of credit. The amendment failed by a vote of 74 to 24 in 2005. We could not find any public statements made by Obama regarding the amendment. The Clinton campaign points to a Chicago Tribune article that says Obama changed his mind on the vote in a move the paper attributes, in a none-too-flattering way, to the freshman senator's learning curve:

Chicago Tribune (June 12, 2007): To some liberals, the proposal was a no-brainer: a ceiling of 30 percent on interest rates for credit cards and other consumer debt. And as he left his office to vote on it, Obama planned to support the measure. ...

But when the amendment came up for a vote, Obama was standing next to Sen. Paul Sarbanes, D-Md., the senior Democrat on the banking committee and the leader of those opposing the landmark bill, which would make it harder for Americans to get rid of debt. "You know, this is probably not a smart amendment for us to vote for," Obama recalled Sarbanes telling him. "Thirty percent is sort of a random number."

Obama joined Sarbanes in voting against the amendment. ... Obama's deferral to Sarbanes was just one example of the freshman senator learning to navigate a chamber famous for its egos.

As for whether the 30 percent cap was too high, that�s certainly a matter of opinion. Sen. Mark Dayton of Minnesota, sponsor of the amendment, said on the Senate floor that such a cap �is still consumer abuse� but is much better than rates of more than 300 percent, which he said were being charged by some loan operations in the country. The nonpartisan Government Accountability Office said in a September 2006 report that the rates credit card companies charge to those who commit a "violation of terms" averaged 27.3 percent in 2005. Seven of the 28 cards the GAO examined charged rates of more than 30 percent.

In last night�s debate, Clinton also said she had opposed the overall bankruptcy bill, which made it more difficult for consumers to erase debt by declaring bankruptcy; Obama opposed it, too. She didn't vote on the final bill, which passed by a 74-25 vote, because it was the day of her husband's heart surgery.

Also, Obama mischaracterized Clinton's comments on her vote for an earlier, 2001 bankruptcy bill. He said:

Obama: In the last debate, Senator Clinton said she voted for [the 2001 bill] but hoped that it wouldn't pass. Now, I don't understand that approach to legislation.

That's not exactly what Clinton said. Moderator Tim Russert asked if she regretted voting for the 2001 bill. She answered:

Clinton (Jan. 15 debate): Sure I do. It never became law, as you know. It got tied up. It was a bill that had some things I agreed with and other things I didn't agree with. I was happy it never became law. I opposed the 2005 bill as well.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/clinton-obama_slugfest.html
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