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type of experience for Univ job?

 
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mastap



Joined: 10 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: type of experience for Univ job? Reply with quote

For University jobs, is it better to have experience as a hagwon teacher teaching adults or a public school position teaching kids?
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have to ask, you're probably not cut out to teach at a university.

The question you should be asking is whether or not an MA is required, or will be in the very near future.
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kittyfye



Joined: 23 Feb 2004
Location: South of Seoul..way south

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP,

There certainly are instructor positions available for those with BA's at present, and depending on your degree, such as one English related, it may only matter how much teaching experience you have. It's pretty idiosyncratic, though, which qualifications are priviledged--always up to the administration doing the hiring.

When I was first looking for a uni position, I got a lot of help from The Beaver's posts. He gives real clear advice on how to get those entry level uni jobs, and he may even cover which sort of experience is best--though I don't actually remember if he does. Anyway, look up his posts on the subject through the search function (just search with his name as author, and then the subjects of his posts should make it obvious which ones you want to read). If you can't find anything, PM me, and I'll pass on that info through links he sent me a few years ago, if I have them still.

Good luck! Even the entry-level uni jobs are light years away from hagwon positions, so if you're motivated, go for it~
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me be of help a little. I, myself, am starting a uni position in March. I only have a BA and a TESOL certificate and 3.5 years experience teaching kids, 3 years in a public school. (I am starting my MA in April, hopefully.) Anyways, the job I got is well paid, only 12 hours a week, 12 students per class, with 5 months vacation. Moral of the story, it can be done with only experience teaching kids.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations!
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They want teachers w/ experience in bending over.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kittyfye wrote:
When I was first looking for a uni position, I got a lot of help from The Beaver's posts. He gives real clear advice on how to get those entry level uni jobs,

here is the post in question.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:


The question you should be asking is whether or not an MA is required, or will be in the very near future.


Says the guy who recommended USQ -- a school on the verge of being labeled a degree mill -- to another poster.

The "MA only" gossip is not about the unigwon jobs. They're listed as hagwons -- not the same as departmental uni employees. That's how most schools will bypass that issue.

The "MA only" argument has been raised by one Korean politician. Politicians come up with lots of crazy bills and ideas for laws every day. This is just one crazy idea from one crazy man. It won't go much further than that.

A better question would be to ask how many universities can actually hire MAs. We're a uni in Seoul, and just hired two more employees. Let me tell you firsthand -- the pickins' are slim, and a lot of the MAs we saw were passed-up in favor of BAs who presented themselves a whole lot better. In the end, we ended up with one MA and one BA. Both with previous uni experience outside of Seoul.

A turd wrapped in fancy MA toilet-paper is still a turd.


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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know at a certain university in Seoul where a friend works that a person with a Ph.D applied but they didn't even give him an interview because his whole resume was in complete point form. Basically, agreeing with the previous poster, education doesn't make a person good for a job, but can make a good person better.
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Mi Yum mi



Joined: 28 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't matter what you taught or what you know for most uni jobs. It's who you know.

Most hire by word of mouth...theacher get their friends hired.
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bluelake



Joined: 01 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plan on having an MA plus a minimum of one year teaching at college level. Some universities may hire those with a bachelor's degree, but expect that you will need more years teaching at the college level.
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
The question you should be asking is whether or not an MA is required, or will be in the very near future.


The question you should be asking is whether you are going to be an instructor with instructor pay, or a professor with professor pay. If it's the first one, I wouldn't bother remembering I asked the question.
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mastap wrote:
For University jobs, is it better to have experience as a hagwon teacher teaching adults or a public school position teaching kids?


WOW! Shocked Afugginmazing! And you know, I can totally understand why you would ask if hogwan and and kids experiences would lead to a university teaching position - because that's the way Korea works with respect to hiring English teachers in Korean higher ed.

PRagic wrote:
If you have to ask, you're probably not cut out to teach at a university.

The question you should be asking is whether or not an MA is required, or will be in the very near future.

Yeah. Or, "I've got a couple of papers that I'm working on and I'm wondering if anyone can provide me with a list of TESOL / Applied Linguistics journals that might be interested in my articles."

ajgeddes wrote:
Let me be of help a little. I, myself, am starting a uni position in March. I only have a BA and a TESOL certificate and 3.5 years experience teaching kids, 3 years in a public school.


I'm going to be as diplomatic as possible can here, but you're a textbook example of what is wrong with what's going on in Korean universities regarding the hiring of English instructors. However, congratulations on your new job and I hope you do earn that M.A. and write those papers.

Really, though, it's shocking that a B.A. can get a teaching position at a Korean university without having a PhD, M.A., publications or history of academic experience in the field of SLA, TESOl or Linguistics.

In sum, the overall situation regarding the hiring of foreign English teachers in Korean universities is absolutely appalling and is in need of some urgent government intervention so that professors with PhD degrees and publications aren't competing for the same job as "Chad" from Saskatchewan with a B.A. in Marketing.
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:

Says the guy who recommended USQ -- a school on the verge of being labeled a degree mill -- to another poster.

The "MA only" argument has been raised by one Korean politician. Politicians come up with lots of crazy bills and ideas for laws every day. This is just one crazy idea from one crazy man. It won't go much further than that.

A better question would be to ask how many universities can actually hire MAs. We're a uni in Seoul, and just hired two more employees. Let me tell you firsthand -- the pickins' are slim, and a lot of the MAs we saw were passed-up in favor of BAs who presented themselves a whole lot better. In the end, we ended up with one MA and one BA. Both with previous uni experience outside of Seoul.

A turd wrapped in fancy MA toilet-paper is still a turd.


I like what you wrote! Very Happy Especially the last line - aha! I can see your argument.

I also agree with you regarding your comments with USQ - it is gaining a reputation as a degree mill for foreign EFL'ers in Korea and Japan wanting that M.A. degree - "A turd wrapped in fancy MA toilet-paper is still a turd." Fair enough.

However, if one is a dedicated educator and striving to achieve or develop her/himself in language teaching as a professional, they ought to be recognized for that. At the moment, they are more than often not! So, I believe that the government does need to step in (i.e., Taiwan MoE example) and regulate the hiring of university level EFL teachers.
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