Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Benazir Bhutto is dead
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Current Events Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Beeyee



Joined: 29 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:27 am    Post subject: Benazir Bhutto is dead Reply with quote

On CNN now.

Update: Bullet wound to the neck, after the bomb blast.


Last edited by Beeyee on Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:43 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Beeyee



Joined: 29 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's dead.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wish I was offered CNN on my Cable TV.

That's messed up though, I mean that suicide bombing. I'm reading about it now elsewhere.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Australia Network quoted that her husband had confirmed she had been injured. BBC world is reporting she died on the operating table.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sad Crying or Very sad

Pakistan's Bhutto Killed By Bombing

RAWALPINDI, Pakistan - Pakistan opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday in a suicide bombing that also killed at least 20 others at a campaign rally, a party aide and a military official said.

"At 6:16 p.m. she expired," said Wasif Ali Khan, a member of Bhutto's party who was at Rawalpindi General Hospital where she was taken after the attack.



A senior military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment, confirmed that Bhutto had died.

Her supporters at the hospital began chanting "Dog, Musharraf, dog," referring to Pakistan's president Pervez Musharraf. Some of them smashed the glass door at the main entrance of the emergency unit, others burst into tears

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/pakistan;_ylt=AnOGhSNrYmoaP_RXD6p7uvADW7oF
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger
mistermasan



Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

did america's pakistani marcos just have his ninoy aquino moment?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
stevemcgarrett



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

from CNN International

Bhutto confirmed dead, likely from shrapnel from an explosive device that also killed or maimed more than a hundred supporters.

Pakistan is a basketcase and has been for years. Musharaf was only able to contain it, and often not even then.

While not of such moral principle as her Burmese sister, she had a moral compass and a firm grasp on the harsh realities of life in this turbulent nation. She loved her country more than herself as evident by her willingness to return to politics after a self-exile of ten years in London. She could have remained in the lap of luxury, griping from a comfortable distance, but did not. She was steadfast after an earlier assassination attempt. Was she power hungry? I think not. And a former colleague in China, a Kiwi who had worked for the UN in Pakistan for 15 years, said that she was the one bright light in an otherwise utterly corrupt Karachi government. While personally apolitical, he admired her courage even then during her first term in office after democratic elections. Allegations of bribery and embezzlement have never been substantiated.

A sad day, indeed, for anyone who cares about the prospect for democracy in this part of the world.

And the only woman to lead a Muslim nation is gone. And once again Muslim men show their fear of Muslim women. Their unfounded fear and arrogance continues to breed social unrest and fanaticism.

mistermasan compared:

Quote:
did america's pakistani marcos just have his ninoy aquino moment?


Perhaps fiercely loyal and misguided supporters of Musharaf were behind the attack but I doubt it. I can't imagine he'd be so openly calculating and foolish in the wake of recent vows to step down. Nor do I for a moment would I implicate Sharif. More likely it will bear out that Islamic fundamentalists are to blame, especially those sympathetic to al-Qaeda and the Taliban. The place where the assassination occurred is in close proximity to the troubled border territory, which violently opposed Bhutto's election campaign.

All this said, if it materializes that Musharaf or any of his inner circle (as opposed to the mob) are implicated, I think the U.S. must seriously reconsider our support of his regime regardless of the short-term damage to diplomatic relations and the war on terror. Afghan President Kharzai is clearly no fan of Musharaf and so would probably welcome such intervention anyhow.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
riverboy



Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve, with all due respect. I don't want to get into an argument over this one, but I think the problem that Musharaf has been a dictator and obtained power through a military coup, should have been a reason to pull support the moment he took power.

I really fail to see what Pakistan has done to fight terrorism. Perhaps I missed it in the headlines. Bottom line, a once previously democratically elected president has been assinated. If a real crackdown on the extremists happened, perhaps it would not have taken place.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
canuckistan
Mod Team
Mod Team


Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
More likely it will bear out that Islamic fundamentalists are to blame, especially those sympathetic to al-Qaeda and the Taliban.


Certain elements in the Pakistani security services.....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2008 Hopefuls React To Bhutto Death

WASHINGTON - Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani said Thursday the assassination of
Benazir Bhutto underscores a need for the U.S. to increase its efforts to combat terrorism.


PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION!

cont'd ...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_pakistan;_ylt=Anvhx1L4gMuLr37AAHQsiaIEtbAF
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger
On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
And the only woman to lead a Muslim nation is gone.


In fact...

Quote:
Diah Permata Megawati Setiawati Soekarnoputri (born January 23, 1947), was President of Indonesia from July 2001 to October 20, 2004. She was the country's first female President, and the first Indonesian leader born after independence.


http://tinyurl.com/2ozhkp
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
Quote:
And the only woman to lead a Muslim nation is gone.


In fact...

Quote:
Diah Permata Megawati Setiawati Soekarnoputri (born January 23, 1947), was President of Indonesia from July 2001 to October 20, 2004. She was the country's first female President, and the first Indonesian leader born after independence.


http://tinyurl.com/2ozhkp


Plus:

Tansu Ciller
Khaleda Zia
Hasina Wazed
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
karma police



Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: all roads lead to where you are...

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

<wow! didn't even realize there is a Current Events Forum on this site until now! Embarassed >

(continued from other thread of the same subject incorrectly posted in other forum)...not to mention those crude nuclear weapons they got aimed at India...

tragic, heartbreaking, crime against civilization...such a devastating loss and a totally dire day for democracy in the world's most dangerous country...



she was so cool. so sad... Crying or Very sad
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Yahoo:

""How can somebody who can shoot her get so close to her with all the so-called security?" said a distraught Husain Haqqani, a former top aide to Bhutto, shortly after news of her death flashed around the world. Haqqani, who served as a spokesman and top aide to Bhutto for more than a decade, blamed Pakistani security, either through neglect or complicity, in her assassination. "This is the security establishment, which has always wanted her out," he said through tears...

The U.S. has long supported a return to power by Bhutto, who was perceived to be a moderate willing to work with Washington on the war on terror. She was also seen as a democratic leader who would serve as a counter to the plummeting popularity of Musharraf...

Haqqani, now a professor at Boston University, isn't sure what the latest bloodshed means for his country. "Will the Pakistani military realize that this is going to tear the fabric of the nation apart, and so really get serious about securing the country and about getting serious in dealing with the extremist jihadis?" he wondered. But he made clear he feels the best chance for such a policy has just evaporated. "She did show courage, and she was the only person who spoke out against terrorism," he said. "She was let down by those in Washington who think that sucking up to bad governments around the world is their best policy option."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/makingamartyrofbhutto


What's happened is a tragedy, but I don't see how it is the fault of Washington.

Maybe this will be the spark that finally convinces the Pakistani army and Intelligence Service to get serious about stopping the chaos in Pakistan. You can only hope.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
canuckistan
Mod Team
Mod Team


Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Maybe this will be the spark that finally convinces the Pakistani army and Intelligence Service to get serious about stopping the chaos in Pakistan


Certain elements of the intelligence services are exactly why there's chaos in Pakistan...and Afghanistan.
They are a law unto themselves which even Musharraf cannot control, and if he tried, they'd simply kill him too. They stood the most to lose if Bhutto was returned to power in the Jan elections--even in a coalition. She had a bounty on her head the moment she returned to Pakistan--she knew it.
I am in awe of her courage to go forward anyways.
It's a sad day for Pakistan and hope the ensuing wretchedness leads to a good number of well-chosen eliminations in the security service ranks.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Current Events Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Page 1 of 6

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International