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Cerriowen
Joined: 03 Jun 2006
Location: Pocheon
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 Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: Before-10-month-job-switch-visa-question... |
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I'm thinking of switching jobs before my 10-month mark.
Some people have gone to the Embassy with a criminal background check they bought ONLINE, and a letter swearing it's true... to get noterized.
But everyone *I* talked to, found out later they didn't really need it, because they were past their 10-month mark.
So what I want to know is... if I have the online criminal records check, and a noterized letter from the Embassy... will that be enough, or do I have to get a copy from my local law enforcement?
Has anyone *actually* done that? |
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Cerriowen
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Cerriowen
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bump...
So no one knows the answer to this? |
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brandon adams
Joined: 23 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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I'm in the same situation as you. Please someone, let me know if completed 9 1/2 months of current contract by March 15th would enable renewal...
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Before-10-month-job-switch-visa-question... |
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| Cerriowen wrote: |
I'm thinking of switching jobs before my 10-month mark.
Some people have gone to the Embassy with a criminal background check they bought ONLINE, and a letter swearing it's true... to get noterized.
But everyone *I* talked to, found out later they didn't really need it, because they were past their 10-month mark.
So what I want to know is... if I have the online criminal records check, and a noterized letter from the Embassy... will that be enough, or do I have to get a copy from my local law enforcement?
Has anyone *actually* done that? |
Have you thought about applying to EPIK? I understand that if you apply directly you don't need to submit a CBC. Also EPIK seemingly accepts CBC's that aren't apostilized. |
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blonde researcher
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: |
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The immigration is not allowing anyone to change hagwon jobs after the Dec 15 changes. The letter of release is no longer any use, nor are any additional documents such as police checks.
I know a teacher who entered Korea only a few weeks ago on an E2 visa under all the new paperwork. The school has gone under financially with low student intake. Now only 5-6weeks after arriving he is to be unemployed next week, no airticket refund yet, and now he cannot get any change in immigration done. He is pushing this, but so far it is a problem. This is the situation even with a new employer agreeing to hire him. The new rules are apparently very firm. No changing schools no matter what the circumstances. |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| blonde researcher wrote: |
The immigration is not allowing anyone to change hagwon jobs after the Dec 15 changes. The letter of release is no longer any use, nor are any additional documents such as police checks.
I know a teacher who entered Korea only a few weeks ago on an E2 visa under all the new paperwork. The school has gone under financially with low student intake. Now only 5-6weeks after arriving he is to be unemployed next week, no airticket refund yet, and now he cannot get any change in immigration done. He is pushing this, but so far it is a problem. This is the situation even with a new employer agreeing to hire him. The new rules are apparently very firm. No changing schools no matter what the circumstances. |
Not true, I've been told on numerous occasions that somebody wishing to transfer to a public school(not a hagwon) can still do so under the new rules, provided his/her release letter is still valid when they go to immigration to make the transfer. |
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roknroll
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| blade wrote: |
| blonde researcher wrote: |
The immigration is not allowing anyone to change hagwon jobs after the Dec 15 changes. The letter of release is no longer any use, nor are any additional documents such as police checks.
I know a teacher who entered Korea only a few weeks ago on an E2 visa under all the new paperwork. The school has gone under financially with low student intake. Now only 5-6weeks after arriving he is to be unemployed next week, no airticket refund yet, and now he cannot get any change in immigration done. He is pushing this, but so far it is a problem. This is the situation even with a new employer agreeing to hire him. The new rules are apparently very firm. No changing schools no matter what the circumstances. |
Not true, I've been told on numerous occasions that somebody wishing to transfer to a public school(not a hagwon) can still do so under the new rules, provided his/her release letter is still valid when they go to immigration to make the transfer. |
Agreed. The new E2 visa rules have nothing to do with preventing people from making changes to their place of work. The March 15th date is a GRACE PERIOD to give people the time to acquire and submit the new documents. This was implemented after the fuss about time constraints when they brought this in effective December 15th. So, they are saying that if you have 10 months in: YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT (STILL NEED THE LETTER OF RELEASE) WITHOUT NEEDING THE CRC OR MED CHECK. AFTER MARCH 15TH, YOU WILL NEED THESE FOR SURE!
So OP, yes you will need your CRC because you don't have 10 months-in (or won't have by March 15th). Doesn't matter about people that said they didn't need it because they had 10 months-in-->apples and oranges.
Sorry, not much help with the online CRC (purchased through a company). Don't believe this is menitoned in the embassy's write-up:
For the criminal record check, an RCMP or local police certificate will be acceptable. Once a police certificate is received, applicants should to bring it to the Canadian Embassy in Seoul or to the Honorary Consulate in Busanwith a statutory declaration(available both at the Embassyand at the Consulate)to have it notarized. |
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blonde researcher
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being
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I agree, you apparently can change from a hagwon to a public school under the new rules, but you apparently cannot change from a hagwon to a new hagwon even with a letter of release and additional paperwork before the 10 month mark no matter what.
Has anyone managed to change from a hagwon to a hagwon under the new rules? Or asked about this? |
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elliemk
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: Sparkling Korea!
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I just got off the phone with Seoul Immigration. We cannot change the visa from one hagwon to another, as someone said on this board. But we can apply for a new visa, regardless of how long we were at our current jobs. |
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brandon adams
Joined: 23 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| How about renewing with the same hagwon 9 1/2 months into the current contract by March 15th??? |
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roknroll
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| How about renewing with the same hagwon 9 1/2 months into the current contract by March 15th??? |
they originally started out with 9 and changed it to 10 months. you may squeak by depending on which immigration and which official. worst case, you need to provide the CRC, fill out the med form, and get a med test in korea afterwards. they'll likely be firm on the 10 months because you have time to acquire the new docs before your end date. |
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roknroll
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| blonde researcher wrote: |
I agree, you apparently can change from a hagwon to a public school under the new rules, but you apparently cannot change from a hagwon to a new hagwon even with a letter of release and additional paperwork before the 10 month mark no matter what.
Has anyone managed to change from a hagwon to a hagwon under the new rules? Or asked about this? |
this would be news to me. i think u have to distinguish between transferring from one E2 sponsor to another E2 sponsor without having to get the new docs or going on a visa run. so, if you have an E2 visa, say with hagwon A and you want to transfer to hagwon B then:
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If you: 1) have a letter of release from your current job, 2) have a signed contract for your new job, and 3) have been at your current job at least 10 months, you can change your place of employment and extend your sojourn without getting a new visa. If you do this before March 15, you're exempt from the new requirements. Your recruiter is incorrect.
If you have 1 and 2 but don't have 3 (10 months-in) then you need to get a new visa so you will need the new docs and with a new visa, likely a visa run (I'm assuming this one, been waiting to hear about actual experiences as have others). your info goes against the grain and appears to be based on one person's case. |
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blonde researcher
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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immigration do NOT seem to be are allowing teachers to move [post Dec 15 visa] to another hagwon employer in any circumstance with any ease. Exemptions for March 15 seem to mean nothing!
This is a genuine situation happening now to someone I know -
Teacher arrived with E2 in passport the start of February to hagwon job after all new paperwork done in immigration and interview at embassy in USA - police sheck health statement apostille - all done correctly.
School goes financially under within days of arrival because of serious decrease of student intake. Director cannot afford and does not want teacher anymore so tells teacher this. No notice. no airfare nothing.
A good case for the labor court BUT but school is effectively bankrupt so getting money will be impossible.
Immigration very sympathetic but say - No visa can be processed for a new job at a hagwon for the next 12 months- but... you can shift to a public school if you find a job and do a visa run to Japan and get the first employer to put the dismissal and cancelling of sponsorship in writing to immigrration.
Seoul immigration also confirms the visa changing situation happening is correct. Now there is a frantic search to secure a public school job and provide more application paperwork to them. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| blonde researcher wrote: |
...This is a genuine situation happening now to someone I know -
Teacher arrived with E2 in passport the start of February to hagwon job after all new paperwork done in immigration and interview at embassy in USA - police sheck health statement apostille - all done correctly.
School goes financially under within days of arrival because of serious decrease of student intake. Director cannot afford and does not want teacher anymore so tells teacher this. No notice. no airfare nothing.
A good case for the labor court BUT but school is effectively bankrupt so getting money will be impossible.
Immigration very sympathetic but say - No visa can be processed for a new job at a hagwon for the next 12 months.... |
That's ridiculous. |
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