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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: Job market still tougher for immigrants than Canadian-born |
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Canada's immigrants fare worse on the job market than their Canadian-born counterparts regardless of how long they've been in the country, but where they were born is linked to their odds of success.
A new report from Statistics Canada reveals that only immigrants from Southeast Asia -- particularly the Philippines -- had employment rates similar to native-born Canadians in 2006.
Immigrants were categorized into three groups for the report: very recent immigrants who landed between 2001 and 2006, recent immigrants who arrived between 1996 and 2001, and established immigrants who'd been in the country more than 10 years. Regardless of where they were born, the most recent arrivals in the core working age group of 25 to 54 had more difficulties finding jobs than those born in Canada.
People from Asia form the largest group of Canada's immigrants, with an employment rate of 63.8% for the core working age bracket, compared to 83.1% for Canadian-born. However, the study found Southeast Asians had employment outcomes close to or better than native-born Canadians, regardless of when they arrived in Canada. Very recent immigrants from the Philippines had an unemployment rate of 5.4% in 2006, only slightly above the 4.9% rate for Canadian-born.
Even with Canada's immigrant population shifting toward Asian countries over the last few decades, Europeans still represent the second-largest immigrant group. Their overall unemployment rate was 8.4%, but established European immigrants had slightly better job prospects than Canadian-born people.
Immigrants born in Latin America had unemployment rates 2.1% higher than native-born Canadians, the report found, while very recent immigrants from Africa struggled with unemployment rates more than four times higher than Canadian-born.
Immigrant men tend to do better than women, and young immigrants age 15 to 24 tend to have lower employment rates than their Canadian-born counterparts. However, young immigrants have higher rates of school attendance. |
http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=306247
Canadian employers use the requirement of "Canadian experience" when sifting through CV's to remove immigrants. I guess we aren't so special after all.
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African immigrants face tough challenges in Canada, says report
TORONTO - Immigrants from Africa are having the hardest time of any major immigrant group integrating into the Canadian workforce, a new study shows.
"Immigrants born in Africa experienced difficulties in the labour market, regardless of when they had landed," Wednesday's Statistics Canada report on immigrant labour said. "In 2006, the estimated 70,000 very recent African-born immigrants had an unemployment rate of 20.8 per cent, more than four times higher than that of the Canadian born." |
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=e977e4a8-927d-4626-8232-07dd7c6a171f&k=4103 |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Does this have something to do with mass amounts of people coming to Canada with piss poor English skills? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Could be. But I don't think that is the major problem. We import thousands of doctors and engineers from places like India and the only jobs they can find is driving Cab while they wait to move to America. It is a very common story.
Here is a W5 piece on it:
http://www.notcanada.com/notcanada.wmv
Another similar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEsX8BS2gXk
Not such a warm welcome
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Nov 22nd 2007 | MONTREAL
From The Economist print edition
The temporary foreign workers pouring into Canada are often exploited
Illustration by Claudio Munoz
TIMES had caught up with the sprawling brewery in the town of Barrie, an hour's drive north of Toronto. Canadians were drinking less and less beer, especially the traditional mass-produced brands. So Molson, the biggest of them all, closed the brewery and sold the property. The new owners were soon pandering to a different vice�marijuana. When police raided the plant in 2004, it was producing four crops a year of 30,000 high-grade, hydroponically-grown plants, worth around C$100m ($102m).
Along with the �pot jungles� set up in 40 mammoth brewing tanks, police found a dingy windowless dormitory and living quarters for dozens of workers. The only people charged were nine �gardeners�; the owners escaped prosecution. They may be less lucky next time. The police have launched a new investigation into a bottled-water business they are now running out of the old brewery, involving another fast-growing, but even shadier, area of Canada's economy�the exploitation of temporary foreign workers.
Among the staff at the factory, police found 11 Filipinos, lured to Canada with the promise of jobs paying up to C$23 an hour. Some sold their homes or took out loans to cover C$10,000 or more in fees demanded by labour brokers. But once in Canada, they were �sold� to unscrupulous employers, kept in an isolated rural house, and forced to do menial jobs earning�if paid at all�a fraction of what they were promised. �They were economic slaves,� said a Barrie policeman who chanced upon them: �It turned my stomach.�
The case, still unreported, is just one of a growing number of instances of abuse stemming from the dramatic rise in the use of temporary foreign workers in Canada. The increase is the result of a quiet loosening of restrictions on foreign workers by Stephen Harper's Conservative government, designed, union leaders say, to keep wages low and to avoid a national debate on the sensitive issue of immigration.
It is Canada's thriving economy that is behind the big rise in demand for foreign workers. The jobless rate has fallen to 5.8%, its lowest level in more than 30 years. In provinces such as resource-rich British Columbia and oil-soaked Alberta, the abundance of jobs has actually become a problem; tens of thousands of posts, particularly in the construction and service sectors, remain unfilled.
It is not as if Canada is not already importing foreign workers. Last year more than 250,000 came in, most of them classified as �economic immigrants�. But they are chosen on a points system which rewards university education and advanced skills. In their countries of origin, many were part of the urban elite. Three-quarters settle in Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal, where there are relatively few job vacancies. Besides, few of these highly qualified immigrants would be interested in pouring cement or coffee for a living.
Heeding the call of employers needing less qualified, lower-paid workers, the government has introduced a series of measures over the past two years designed to make the hiring of foreign workers simpler. No longer are employers obliged to place an advertisement in local newspapers for six weeks for local applicants before searching farther abroad; just one week in a federal job centre will now suffice. Instead of being allowed to stay for only one year, foreign workers are now often getting visas lasting two.
At the same time, the requirement for a �labour market opinion� (LMO) on whether a worker from outside the country is really needed has been scaled back. The federal government has launched a pilot scheme specifically aimed at bringing in low-skilled workers. And special teams of federal bureaucrats have been set up in Calgary, Vancouver and Montreal to help guide employers through the process of hiring foreign workers.
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Typical Rascism. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Canada has enjoyed a squeaky-clean reputation for far too long.
It's high time some of the myths of the "great white North" were shattered.
I often feel sorry for Korean whose dream is to move to Canada. I try to warn them about the high taxes and high unemployment and the high cost of living, but they usually ignore me.
Canada is doing a piss-poor job of training and employing its own people, let alone the rest of the world. Why do you think there are so many Canadians in Korea? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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The Canadians are in Korea because they did a useless 50k degree in the liberal arts. This rendered them 1) unemployable and 2) a slave to their debt. They come to korea for the free house, ultra-low taxes and a bit of fun. Many quickly realized that life in Canada blows goats and they stay.
I'm staying away from Canada (after an 6 month gig in Calgary) because I find Canadians insufferable to be around. The culture (shared perspectives) is vapid and purposefully so. You can't have multiculturalism with a majority population that appreciates and understands their own culture. The job market is ass compared to the USA (though not this year). The only institutional reason to stay is the better health care, but Clinton or Obama will tighten that up anyways. The weather is miserable. It was -42 in my hometown 2 weeks back. The taxes are absurd. The cities are all unlivable (less maybe Montreal) without a car. At least in the US you have Boston, San Fransisco, DC, Chicago, and NYC where one can live comfortably without a car.
About the my OP. What I think is happening is that mass third world immigration is being forced upon a population that does not want it, and was not asked about it. So, instead of protesting and seeming intolerant and impolite, the Canadians (by which I mean the majority European population) find clever ways to weed out immigrants from their day to day life (ie: the need for Canadian experience). |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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I don't agree with the last paragraph.
Canada is bringing in workers to solve the labour shortages due to brain drain and other factors, but they forgot to bring in low skilled workers as well. Now we have an even more overqualified and overeducated population.
This problem is not at all unique to Canada. UK comes to mind. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
I don't agree with the last paragraph.
Canada is bringing in workers to solve the labour shortages due to brain drain and other factors, but they forgot to bring in low skilled workers as well. Now we have an even more overqualified and overeducated population.
This problem is not at all unique to Canada. UK comes to mind. |
I scanned the article. It seems like prejudice is not as bad as people claim. South East Asians are doing well and better than white Canadians. The Africans are doing poorly. East Asians tend to work harder, study harder, learn a language faster than their African counterparts. Obviously, if you have more skills, you are more than likely to be employed, and there was not a large gap between Latin Americans and whites and a big chunk of the Latin Americans in Canada
come from South America where there is a much stronger stress on education than in Mexico. I don't think this really damns Canada and Canadians, but it says there is a problem, and if Africans are falling through the cracks, something must be done to help them get more skills or whatever group is having trouble in Canada... |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| It would depend on the quality of the degree. Is it a degree from a school in Korea where students drink for 4 years? Not all students in Korea do this but a lot do. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder what the employment rate for immigrants from the US is? I've been seriously considering going north of the border after I return from Korea. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:22 am Post subject: |
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I would consider a 4 year degree from Korea (or many other nations) to be about as good as a high school diploma from Canada. Even if the dgeree is a little better, at least the Canadian born and educated person won't have a language or culture problem.
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| It would depend on the quality of the degree. Is it a degree from a school in Korea where students drink for 4 years? Not all students in Korea do this but a lot do. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:55 am Post subject: |
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There's one thing you haven't considered, and that is gender. Immigrant women are less likely to hold jobs outside the home than Canadian-born women. The reason why Phillipine numbers are so high, I'm guessing, is that most that come to Canada are nannys. Show me the employment numbers with just men.
I agree that Canada can blow, but I think if we had some of the high-paying jobs back home, we wouldn't be so quick to slam it. If you're making 6 figures, life can be pretty good. Also, weather in Calgary or Edmonton is not to be compared with Vancouver, Toronto, or even Montreal.
And, to raise a family, Canada is great for schools, sports, safety, playgrounds, and affordability. I also like the pub and restaurant culture, the sports culture, and easy access to the States, Mexico, Carribean, and even Hawaii. |
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