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bucheon bum
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 Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: Another reason I don't like Hillary |
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She's appointed Ron Dellums as her Senior urban policy advisor. Who is Ron Dellums? The mayor of Oakland, CA and formerly a congressman. The city has already had 21 murders this year. Great choice hillary!
Just more evidence that Hillary is all about "the game" and trying to maximize the old school democratic party machine. Good luck hill-dog. I think your days are numbered as a presidential candidate.
An op-ed more about Ron Dellums than anything else |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:39 am Post subject: |
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I had no idea who he was, so I'm glad you gave some background. Not that I'm proud of it, but I was born in Oakland. It's a pretty crazy place these days (as is most of California). Too bad things have gotten so out of control there.
That could explain why property values are going through the roof in Southern Oregon though. Those people can literally sell there $400,000 house and buy the same size and quality house up there for about half the cost. Not to mention it's quite a bit safer. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I saw in the economist that the Northwest was one of the few regions that didn't get hit hard by the subprime mess. Real estate prices increased in Seattle and Portland last year. |
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Milwaukiedave
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: |
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"My husband won't be involved in any sex scandals if I'm elected president"
*cringe* |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: |
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"My husband won't be involved in any sex scandals if I'm elected president"
*cringe* |
Excellent point . . .
. . . for me to poop on. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: |
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"My husband won't be involved in any sex scandals if I'm elected president"
*cringe* |
Excellent point . . .
. . . for me to poop on. |
It's sad having to say it, but with so many political enemies watching him, one has to wonder if he'll manage to keep any pecadillos undiscoverable. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
"My husband won't be involved in any sex scandals if I'm elected president"
*cringe* |
Excellent point . . .
. . . for me to poop on. |
It's sad having to say it, but with so many political enemies watching him, one has to wonder if he'll manage to keep any pecadillos undiscoverable. |
No, far from being 'sad to have to say it,' its simply pathetic mentioning it in this thread.
You'll notice the previous two posters were focusing on a substantive criticism of the candidate. They were discussing the appointment of the candidate that disappointed them.
Instead, you go WAY off-topic to talk about the candidate's spouse's sex life years ago. I just wanted to explain to you why I was being perhaps rude. |
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MissSeoul
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| Hillary's head is full of image of becoming the first female president of the great country. I can't even watch her face on TV, she just make me sick !! |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Who is Ron Dellums? The mayor of Oakland, CA and formerly a congressman. The city has already had 21 murders this year. Great choice hillary! |
Bad thinking. As we both know, Oakland has its problems. It is hard to imagine how we can fault the mayor or the police or any other authority for such patterns. Larger socioeconomic forces are at work here, no matter who has the courage to step forward and attempt to govern the place.
I think Hillary's appointing such people, with real local familiarity and experience, is a smart move. And Chip Johnson is obviously hostile to the man he scapegoats for these problems in this op-ed.
There must be something else about Dellums we can criticize. But I would not criticize him simply for being mayor -- whether he was in or out of the office or in or out of town makes no difference to me; what does Johnson expect him to have done, activated the Bat Signal and saved Oakland? -- when these murders occurred. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
There must be something else about Dellums we can criticize. But I would not criticize him simply for being mayor -- whether he was in or out of the office or in or out of town makes no difference to me; what does Johnson expect him to have done, activated the Bat Signal and saved Oakland? -- when these murders occurred. |
Dellums Behaving Exactly As He said he would
Dellums office fails to reply to small biz
Dellums finally acknowledges it is time to hire more cops
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| Oakland could have beefed up its police force under a public safety tax the city's voters approved in November 2004, but Mayor Ron Dellums and other city leaders declined to spend the money until citizens pressured them to act in the face of increasing crime and violence, officials said Thursday. |
And earlier:
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When I interviewed Dellums in September, he said Oakland residents didn't want - or need - a police department larger than 800 officers, never mentioning that the increase would bring Oakland's police force to about two-thirds the national standard.
While arguments can be made that a larger police presence doesn't always spark a crime reduction, a consultant hired by the Oakland Police Department made the same recommendations more than a decade ago, said one veteran officer. |
Another Johnson column
Basically it is his absences from oakland and total lack of interest in the job that irritate me. And yes, the voters put him into office, but if he had any decency, he wouldn't have run in the first place.
The guy has some nutty ideas too:
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| His first anti-crime measure was a proposal to hire ex-felons to city jobs, followed by a plan to spend anti-crime funds on street intervention workers to counsel and guide recently released parolees toward training programs and aid. |
I don't blame Dellums for the rise in crime. I blame him for his lack of effort last year to do anything about it, and it is clear that he is more interested in obtaining a position in the Clinton administration now than being mayor.
Contrast that to Jerry Brown, his predecessor. During Brown's last year as mayor, crime jumped up as well. Unlike Dellums, he was active and looked for solutions to the issue. While he obviously did not succeed, at least he tried.
I should also note that Oakland passed a "Strong Mayor" initiative a few years ago, so it isn't like the mayor is just a ceremonial post either.
Lastly, what the heck does he honestly know about urban policy? He was a congressman for a couple decades, then a lobbyist until he became mayor a year ago. He hasn't lived in any urban area (besides perhaps Georgetown or the equivalent) in decades. In Congress, he chaired the Armed Services Committee. How exactly dos that relate to urban policy? And he certainly hasn't done anything in Oakland that is remarkable. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| I don't blame Dellums for the rise in crime. I blame him for his lack of effort last year to do anything about it... |
Certainly anyone who runs for and assumes public office must take the criticism that comes with it. And your questioning his pre-mayoral qualifications in urban affairs is hard to argue with.
I merely point out that Dellums is in a classical damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-do-not dilemma in Oakland: to increase taxes and police presence or not? I vaguely recall an NYC mayor going the other way and actually reducing the crime-rate a few years back -- and then his critics assailed him for the police abusiveness that always accompanies such policies.
I think you are thinking like a political-scientist, Bucheon Bum. Policymakers and their decisions and policies truly matter. But from other disciplinary perspectives, we can question this stressing that kind of agency as central. You seem aware of this when you cite Brown's endeavors. Frankly, I doubt that "putting more officers on the streets" in Oakland would change much -- unless one was willing to approach martial law and truly suppress criminal activity with a heavy hand. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| canuckistan wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| canuckistan wrote: |
"My husband won't be involved in any sex scandals if I'm elected president"
*cringe* |
Excellent point . . .
. . . for me to poop on. |
It's sad having to say it, but with so many political enemies watching him, one has to wonder if he'll manage to keep any pecadillos undiscoverable. |
No, far from being 'sad to have to say it,' its simply pathetic mentioning it in this thread.
You'll notice the previous two posters were focusing on a substantive criticism of the candidate. They were discussing the appointment of the candidate that disappointed them.
Instead, you go WAY off-topic to talk about the candidate's spouse's sex life years ago. I just wanted to explain to you why I was being perhaps rude. |
No offense taken.
FWIW Twasn't I who brought it up on the campaign trail: http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272618332.shtml
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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But it was you who wanted to make it integral to this thread. Perhaps this thread was meant as another general offensive against the hated Clintons after all. If so, we ought to rename it "Why I Dislike Hillary."
In any case, Christ. Are you telling me that the far left is going to punish the Clintons far more severely with perpetual sarcasm and sneering re: Bill's infidelities than even the preachy, moralistic far right...? Is this not something for Hillary and Bill to work out between themselves...?
You are all fucking crazy. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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But it was you who wanted to make it integral to this thread. Perhaps this thread was meant as another general offensive against the hated Clintons after all. If so, we ought to rename it "Why I Dislike Hillary."
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I've told you many times before Gopher, I drop in, say what I have to say, and no one is forcing you or anyone else to even acknowledge it.
Happy trails |
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