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Pub Elem School too cheap on foreigner housing allotment IMO

 
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:33 am    Post subject: Pub Elem School too cheap on foreigner housing allotment IMO Reply with quote

I'm rolling into a new public elementary and they say that the City School Board has alloted a maximum of 400,000 a month. The school can use no more than that when the school shops for an apt for the foreign English teacher. And the school can NOT put down a deposit/key money. I heard this and just about flipped! So THAT'S why they were showing me a one-room ("come over here, look, but it's a BIG one room"^^. I refused to look at the proposed CELL^^). They said 'don't you know/don't you remember, look in your contract'.

I said off the bat to her that what's in the contract, 300,000 won is in the circumstance that the foreign teacher doesn't want school supplied housing. Thus they get that montly allowance for rent they can use to pay for the apt the foreigner himself/herself finds and rents.

Sure enough, later, I see NOTHING about no stinking 400,000 max the school can use (or anything about them not being able to pay a deposit/key money).

I also said to her at the time that the USUAL for public schools to put out themselves per month for an apt. is 550-650,000 won. I happen to know because there was a thread on Dave's asking this question; everybody said 550-600 thousand won.

It's pretty shitty. They said 'well, if you want a bigger place then you must pay more'. IF the standard allotment is 600 and theirs is substandard, 400, then I'm paying 200 of my own money per month to get it up to snuff. Something's wrong from the start and they ought to be set straight.

Also, how short sighted! If they were able to put down a deposit they could get a much better place and keep it for years as successive foreigners come along. The only type of apt that don't ask for deposits are little, short term, one room sort of places.

Anybody else dealing with this?

In Korean fashion a solution has come up where one of the teachers has a relative who has a bigger place and won't ask for a deposit. So we're getting around this 'rule'/limit and its effects.
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Otherside



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other thread I said that I overheard the figure for my apt and it was 550,000. I was wrong.. the figure is 450,000 a month with 5mill key money.

The figure of 600,000 might vary between schools, or be up to the discretion of schools, or might just be a case of someone pocketing a bit of change from your allowance. Where you are really being screwed is on the key money. You can do ok on 400,000 in most areas, provided they put up some decent key money.
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xCustomx



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your school receives a lump sump of money, about $50,000, to use on you throughout the year. I have heard conflicting answers from my school, from GEPIK, and the local education office. Originally I heard 600,000 per month, but later the education office said no more than 400,000 can be spent. I heard from GEPIK that it's really up to the school's discretion on how much to spend and that as long as the rent they're paying for your place does not cause them to go over the budget, everything is OK. THEN I was told that the education office allots a certain amount of money to be spent on housing, depending on the area. If you live in Bundang then your school can pay up to 700,000/month. If you're in Suwon then it's about 350,000.

Don't let them jerk you around and be firm about what you want and are entitled to.
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captain kirk



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:
The figure of 600,000 might vary between schools, or be up to the discretion of schools, or might just be a case of someone pocketing a bit of change from your allowance. Where you are really being screwed is on the key money. You can do ok on 400,000 in most areas, provided they put up some decent key money.


So right! That's what I thought. Every decent place requires key money. Yogwon rooms and one rooms don't. I heard so much caak from them. It was like, '(our city) has a housing shortage because the government has programs to attract people to the area'. WTF! It's the middle of friggin' nowhere for gawds sake. The truth is, my spider senses are telling me, it's school vacation and they don't want to get off their beeps to look around a bit. I said to them, look, anyplace within 20km of the school. It can have cockroaches, centipedes, shit flies I DON"T CARE just don't put me in a beep one room. I was stating my case pretty clearly. So clearly I could have appeared ready for a padded cell but a ONE ROOM?! Shit.

I actually said to them this is public school. One rooms are given out by miserly, cheap hagwon owners. No no, they said, that's standard housing^^.

So, anyway, the principal has a two room house 20km away or something like that. He wants to rent it. So it appears I'll live there and he'll get paid by the schoolboard as he rents to them for me to live in. A lot of bother this dodging getting dicked around from the start. BUT I am the first foreign teacher at the public school. If I wasn't they'd have learned by trial and error to get some friggin' key money and a decent place.

It's like
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captain kirk



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xCustomx wrote:
Your school receives a lump sump of money, about $50,000, to use on you throughout the year. (...) If you live in Bundang then your school can pay up to 700,000/month. If you're in Suwon then it's about 350,000 (monthly rent).

Don't let them jerk you around and be firm about what you want and are entitled to.


Yes sir, no getting jerked around, damn straight! Like I said the school is in a RURAL neck of the woods and I've been hearing how VELLY DIFFICULT (oh so difficult) it is to find a place. Meanwhile all the public school teachers went off to Bankok Thailand (paid for by the school) for four days. If I've got 50,000 dollars alloted to my ass then...I think they're talking out of their corruption riddled orifices on this. I heard that if a person in a high level position does NOT accept a kickback then they lose face. But, of course, I have a very good attitude and wouldn't nastily speculate like this. But, sheesh, just what IS the problem, anyway. I think it's just a case of seeing if I'll go for a shoebox. I've seen it before at other schools, with other teachers. Damn annoying!
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

captain kirk wrote:
xCustomx wrote:
Your school receives a lump sump of money, about $50,000, to use on you throughout the year. (...) If you live in Bundang then your school can pay up to 700,000/month. If you're in Suwon then it's about 350,000 (monthly rent).

Don't let them jerk you around and be firm about what you want and are entitled to.


Yes sir, no getting jerked around, damn straight! Like I said the school is in a RURAL neck of the woods and I've been hearing how VELLY DIFFICULT (oh so difficult) it is to find a place. Meanwhile all the public school teachers went off to Bankok Thailand (paid for by the school) for four days. If I've got 50,000 dollars alloted to my ass then...I think they're talking out of their corruption riddled orifices on this. I heard that if a person in a high level position does NOT accept a kickback then they lose face. But, of course, I have a very good attitude and wouldn't nastily speculate like this. But, sheesh, just what IS the problem, anyway. I think it's just a case of seeing if I'll go for a shoebox. I've seen it before at other schools, with other teachers. Damn annoying!


what I find even more annoying is those of us who actually DO stand up to this kind of crap often pay the price - where the Ks learn just a bit and the next FT comes behind us gets treated just a tad bit better - meanwhile - we are the ones who had to shell out the stress and deal with the original situation... Sad
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mountainous



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Location: Los Angeles

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I met a pub school teacher who likes her apartment in Seoul, they are not all horrendous, just keep poking around til you find something suitable, good luck.
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captain kirk



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about a sickeningly ^^ happy ending, would that be ok?

About 10km away, half way up a mountain but with a paved road, with only two immediate neigbours (goat farmer and some other kind of mountain farmer) is a trad Korean sort of farmer house and that's what got found. I said to the Korean co-teacher the place is totally charming, I love it! She said she thought the place she picked out for me before, the one room I rejected, was more charming. That place, to me, was a stinking hole. Sure it was clean, and close to the city, but it's a one room. If you're living in a one room there should also be a zoo warden who throws you a bone once in a while^^.

Different ways of looking at things! So now I live in a trad farm house on the side of a mountain. It depends what the Korean person has in mind as a nice place when they're looking for a place for you. I told them, after seeing the hideous one room, the place they find can be isolated, country, dirty, have bugs, I DON'T care as long as it's BIG. Someone knew someone and bypassed the necessity of key money. This happened because I told them what I wanted. Otherwise they never would have guessed. Mold can be killed, bugs can be eradicated, isolation can be solitude, but a one room can't be expanded in size, even with mirrors and op art posters^^.

I don't mind being on a mountainside with almost no neighbours at the end of a winding mountain road. In fact, that's just farking PEACHY. I can see why the young female Korean co-teacher would want a tidy little one-room, though. I'D feel like a piece of bread in a toaster. She didn't like the farmhouse because it's 'dirty, cold (on the mountainside that day), and no friends (not close to shops, other people, etc.)'. Well, I won't invite you over then, Ms Princess Paris Hilton^^

Country roaaaaads. Takkeeee me home. To the Land where I was born, West Virginia, Mountain Mama, Take me home, country roads.....Koreans are in a hurry to forget their rural roots, some of them. Their loss! I have cows, chickens, etc....^^. Let Armaggedon come rolling on down!!!^^


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agoodmouse



Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My school pays about 450,000 for my apartment. It's not a one-bedroom like a bunch of my PS and hakwon friends have. Then again, their apartments cost more most of the time. So it's possible to get a non-big-one-bedroom apartment with your bedroom closed off at least in my area. I hope your situation gets worked out.
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rationality



Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Location: Some where in S. Korea

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked
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