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Is the hostility becoming more open?
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:55 am    Post subject: Is the hostility becoming more open? Reply with quote

5 years ago when i first got here Koreans reverentially gasped when informed I was an English teacher. Now they sneer. The stares and the attitude seems to have become more brazen, too. Or is it just me?

Lets take the past 2 days for example.

a) A c.50 year old ajosshi tries to get me to move out my reserved seat on the KTX just because he wants an aisle seat. I refuse, and hear him mutter "sh*pseki" very audibly as he reluctantly goes to his allotted seat next to me. unused to someone 20 years older than me in a smart suit feels free to use such language, I then shoot back "yeah, Hi, k*sekki". He looks a bit stunned and sits very awkwardly beside me for about 30 seconds before moving a few rows forward.

b) I order a bibimbap in a small restaurant. The miserable serving woman who thinks she owns the place appears to mimmick the way I pronounced the order in a patronising way before staring at me while I finish eating.

c) I sit next to some equally miserable 40-something ajosshi in the PC bang who then glares at me. i return the stare and he looks away in disdain.

What have I done to deserve such attitude? Nothing. I'm not even American or Japanese. But its clear these people have been watching too many slanted anti-foreigner Korean documentaries over the past few years.
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Chris Kwon



Joined: 23 Jan 2008
Location: North Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most old people are used to having their way, although i'm not sure 50 years old counts.
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does "Hi K*sekki" mean?
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hcn207



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaseblasphemener wrote:
What does "Hi K*sekki" mean?


Basically means son of a b*tch.
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out of context



Joined: 08 Jan 2006
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They could just be xenophobes who would hate you even if the documentaries were all about how wonderful foreign teachers are. Sometimes you just hit a bad patch. I've never experienced any reverential gasps, I have to admit.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was reading somewhere that people with inner anger attract people like that... Frankly, I have not encountered what you described. No one has taken my seat, people even were willing to move for me when he saw I was about to go for a particular seat on the subway, but I relented in appeciation and gave it to him and went somewhere else. Generally, I've had pretty good treatment by Koreans...I am not saying there are not racists out there and people with bad attitudes. Definitely, there are people like that. I did have one incident where I was told to be quiet because someone didn't want to hear someone talking on the cell phone in English. I am assuming it's because I was talking in English. I wasn't loud. However, it is not like someone can't encounter a bad attitude in other countries.
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Chris Kwon



Joined: 23 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also try being overly nice to rude ass people.. it seems to piss them off more.
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Kwon wrote:
Most old people are used to having their way, although i'm not sure 50 years old counts.


Good point!

These examples are not proof-positive in R&B's opinion but other stuff - oh, Lord, boatloads of stuff up the backside - gives R&B the near-idea that way, way, way too many of the locals have had it in for E.F.L.ers since, uh, 1992 or so (before the accident/suicide/alleged murder thing with the armored vehicle up near Paju City in Gyyeongi-do, it was just, like, uh, "Who the feck are you and why are you in my feckin' country?!)

Take care, Y'all.

Rochie & Bullwinkle
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Kwon wrote:
Also try being overly nice to rude ass people.. it seems to piss them off more.


Bullwinkle just woke up and said, much to the chagrin of Kimchileuver, Richard Kranium, et-al: "Word to Roch!"

He's a really good friend - eh?

Carry on.

R
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, my experiences mirror yours.

Some of it from, that I had done time in Taiwan and acquired naivete, and otherwise to all finally getting to me.

Now the overriding sense is that like bob says "things have changed".

However, what rankles the most was the performance or lack thereof of my bosses down the years. I'm discovering that I was hurt a lot, in the sense that I often think (destructively) of them. Coulda handled it better, sure, but that is the prerogative of the experienced.

But if I do squint my eyes, yes, it's not a bird, is not a plane,
it's a............................................... sparkle.

Actually, take a rain check with that one too.
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kingplaya4



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think this is just a negative thinking problem. Two of my coworkers who are both pretty new (not fresh off the boat but under a year) who are about as well adjusted as you will find foreigners here and have been very positive about Korea have been telling similiar stories lately.

It's kind of funny to me because I've always been less positive than they are, but they seem to get more upset about such things. To me its kind of expected that I'll run into some racists here and there so it generally doesn't bother me too much.
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Chris Kwon



Joined: 23 Jan 2008
Location: North Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roch wrote:
Chris Kwon wrote:
Also try being overly nice to rude ass people.. it seems to piss them off more.


Bullwinkle just woke up and said, much to the chagrin of Kimchileuver, Richard Kranium, et-al: "Word to Roch!"

He's a really good friend - eh?

Carry on.

R

You lost me Roch
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Oreovictim



Joined: 23 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:33 am    Post subject: Re: Is the hostility becoming more open? Reply with quote

Julius wrote:



a) A c.50 year old ajosshi tries to get me to move out my reserved seat on the KTX just because he wants an aisle seat. I refuse, and hear him mutter "sh*pseki" very audibly as he reluctantly goes to his allotted seat next to me. unused to someone 20 years older than me in a smart suit feels free to use such language, I then shoot back "yeah, Hi, k*sekki". He looks a bit stunned and sits very awkwardly beside me for about 30 seconds before moving a few rows forward.



You should have stuck your hand out and said, "Bahn-sa!"
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regicide



Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
I was reading somewhere that people with inner anger attract people like that... Frankly, I have not encountered what you described. No one has taken my seat, people even were willing to move for me when he saw I was about to go for a particular seat on the subway, but I relented in appeciation and gave it to him and went somewhere else. Generally, I've had pretty good treatment by Koreans...I am not saying there are not racists out there and people with bad attitudes. Definitely, there are people like that. I did have one incident where I was told to be quiet because someone didn't want to hear someone talking on the cell phone in English. I am assuming it's because I was talking in English. I wasn't loud. However, it is not like someone can't encounter a bad attitude in other countries.


When are people going to learn that their good experiences do not make any difference? The OP still had these experiences as many people have.


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rD.NaTas



Joined: 06 Nov 2007
Location: changwon

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

man , Changwon has to be the nicest city in korea , i have never hada problem here , other then old men hittin on my fiance but it happens everywhere
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