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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:49 am Post subject: IS HILLARY SAYING "I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT MAN?&qu

This excerpted from an article in today's The Wall Street Journal:

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The controversy today was sparked by two fliers that the Obama campaign has been sending to voters in Ohio for nearly a week. In one, a distressed couple sits at their kitchen table looking over medical bills. "Hillary's health care plan forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it," it reads. In another, a gate of what is presumably a factory door is chained shut. It references a Newsday article that quotes Mrs. Clinton calling Nafta, the North American Free Trade Agreement, a "boon" to the economy. Mrs. Clinton said the fliers represent "the worst kind of politics" and that her health care plan is the only one that offers universal coverage. As for Nafta, she says she never called it a boon to the economy and that the Newsday article had been corrected shortly after it was published. "The characterization that she supports Nafta I think is indisputable," Mr. Obama said, noting that she had referred to it in her autobiography as one of President Clinton's greatest accomplishments. The trade agreement passed during the Clinton Administration has become a key focus as the candidates move into manufacturing-heavy states like Ohio that have seen jobs disappear as factories relocate in Mexico as a result of Nafta. When asked whether she supported the agreement while she was first lady, Mrs. Clinton said she has been a critic of Nafta for years. "It was negotiated by the first President Bush," she told reporters. Earlier today at a rally at the Cincinnati State Technical Community College, Mrs. Clinton compared the candidacy of Mr. Obama to that of President Bush in his 2000 presidential run. "Do you think people voting in 2000 knew what they were getting? People thought they were getting a 'compassionate conservative,' and it turns out he was neither. And we have lived with the consequences," she said. "[Bush] promised change as a compassionate conservative and the American people got shafted and we're going to have to make up for it now. So, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." In response to the comparison between Sen. Obama and President Bush, the Obama campaign sent out a December article that quotes Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson saying that "comparing another Democrat to George Bush" is the "worst kind of tactical political maneuvering."

It's getting rough in the Democratic Party nomination trench these days, what with the rats running around celebrating the new lunar year in their honor, Spring rains ready to bring mudslides if not slides in the polls, and Bill Cllnton's presidency coming out of the woodwork.

It won't be long before we see Hillary point a witchy finger and hear her declare in her patented shrill tone, "I did not have sex with that man," meaning her husband Bill-er-I mean, metaphorically speaking, of course, Bill's legacy. Unsold copies of Living History will mysteriously disappear from shelves overnight, putting the librarians in the thesis stacks at Princeton to shame. Among her proud camp followers, the editorial staff at The New York Times will send roving reporters into every nook and cranny of Barnes & Nobles and Borders across the land in search of unsold copies of this most presumptuous tome of our times. Why, even the sorority girls at Wellesley College will set aside their studies and parties to canvass used bookstores and appeal to friends far and near to ferret out dogeared copies. Chelsea will make calls to Stanford alums to do likewise on the West Coast and before you know it a new expurgated edition of her autobiography will be prominently displayed, Reliving History.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Obama campaign will be slowly plugging away at small time donors who, in turn, become reps for the Illinois Senator. The second surge in recent American history will move into the states where primaries have yet to be won or lost.

Bill will take a fingernail file to his trusty pointer--er--the one he uses to chastise the press and all those who dare question the efficacy of his beloved wife's campaign for her rightful place on Pennsylvannia avenue

Why, before you know it, the dastardly deed will have been done; the Hill-Bill Hocus Pocus Political Machine will have finally managed to transform Obama into...

THE BLACK GEORGE W. BUSH.

Last edited by stevemcgarrett on Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:58 am; edited 4 times in total

chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: Hillary

I'm curious if Hillary will appoint Obama as Vice President, or Obama will appoint Hillary as VP? Assuming that the Democrats get in, of course. I'm hoping they do. It's time for a change. I think you'll find Hillary will be a little more circumspect, than Bill.

stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:01 am Post subject:

chris: I agree with you that Hillary generally exercises more discretion than her husband, but that ain't so hard to do when you think about it. Obama should rightly be labeled a "sellout" if he asks Hillary to be his running mate, or she asks him. He's got to be smarter than that.

spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:18 am Post subject:

Hillary is PATHETIC...looks like I can sit back and rest this election, I'm Republican..

Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Hillary

chris_J2 wrote:

I'm curious if Hillary will appoint Obama as Vice President, or Obama will appoint Hillary as VP? Assuming that the Democrats get in, of course. I'm hoping they do. It's time for a change.

I think you'll find Hillary will be a little more circumspect, than Bill.

I don't think enough people trust Hillary Clinton. They don't believe her claims that she didn't support Nafta. I am not sure if Obama should have her as VP. I prefer John Edwards. Of course, Clinton has a lot of valuable experience, but John Edwards has some experience as a former senator. I have no objection to Hillary Clinton becoming a V.P.

twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: Re: IS HILLARY SAYING "I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT MAN

stevemcgarrett wrote:

THE BLACK GEORGE W. BUSH.

All he'll need is a tonne of coke and a circle of Dad's pals that runs the show for him, and he'll be perfect.

yawarakaijin

Joined: 08 Aug 2006

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject:

I find it wonderful that for the first time in history a black man has a serious chance at the presidency of the United States. You want to know what makes it even more satisfying? The fact that it was probably the unbelievable incompetence of this current administration which made it all possible.

Milwaukiedave

Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Hillary

Adventurer wrote:

chris_J2 wrote:

Neither Clinton or Edwards should be on an Obama ticket (if he wins the nomination) in my opinion.

I wouldn't think Edwards would want to play second fiddle to Obama and in fact there is no indication that Edwards even supports Obama. Edwards has been mentioned for cabinet posts, but then again he could always run for governor of his state. Or even better he could take the kind of road Gore has by championing the environment and champion poverty.

Clinton has spent enough time bashing Obama that there is no effect way for her to be his VP. I also don't think she'd want to play second fiddle to him either.

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject:

SteveM, Excellent thread . . . . . . for me to poop on.

Milwaukiedave

Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject:

Kuros wrote:

SteveM,

Excellent thread . . .

. . . for me to poop on.

It's pretty hard to take you seriously anymore. I'm not sure what your feces fetish is about, but if you don't like it go back the the negative threads you've started over the last month about Obama.

Or maybe you'll actually answer my question about the 10 minute tirade by the Clinton surrogate in Ohio the other day? Of course not.

Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject:

yawarakaijin wrote:

I find it wonderful that for the first time in history a black man has a serious chance at the presidency of the United States. You want to know what makes it even more satisfying? The fact that it was probably the unbelievable incompetence of this current administration which made it all possible. Wink

I think you have a point. George W. Bush appealed to the most right wing and conservative elements of society and it harmed the US in the minds of many people and probably some conservatives had a change of heart as a result. When Colin Powell was running some years ago, he was popular, but the electorate was not ripe for a black president. Now, they are ripe for one. One, Obama is charismatic, bi-racial, articulate, and has experience, and many people who want a democrat don't really like Hillary Clinton. Obama's wife said that she was proud to be an American for the first time because a black man, her husband, has a chance. I think that's taking things out of context and forgetting that the black experience in America is quite different.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject:

Adventurer wrote:

yawarakaijin wrote:

Most neo cons are not social conservatives.

yawarakaijin

Joined: 08 Aug 2006

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Adventurer wrote:

yawarakaijin wrote:

Most neo cons are not social conservatives.

Perhaps you are right but don't kid yourself. There is one reason why America is ready for a black president. George Bush. In some ironic way and depraved way, his presidency might just have been what America needed.

Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Most neo cons are not social conservatives.

I was not speaking of only neo-cons. I was speaking of various right wing elements be they religious or non-religious. They were not mainstream republican in my view like McCain is a mainstream GOP member in my opinion as was George Bush's father. When I think of Republican, I think of them, not the neo-cons and the right wing sectarian types. George Bush appealed to the extreme right wing elements of various hues in the party at the expense of centrist GOP positions.
In the end, though it was late, they were forced to change course.
Now, unfortunately, for the GOP many people are upset with the GOP, and, though, I think McCain is a great candidate, I think what George Bush did during his presidency will hurt McCain. The party made its choice when they chose Bush the first time around, which I thought was a big mistake. I don't disagree with what you said that most neo-cons may be secular. However, they are definitely not centrists in the party.

stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:06 am Post subject:

Adventurer (Neo-Liberal Par Excellance) conjectured:

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When did Powell run for office? Gee, I must have missed that one! Rolling Eyes

The electorate shouldn't be compared to fruit or to people who are fruits.

I disagree with Michelle's premise. She presumes that had Powell actually run he could not have won in 1996 or 2000. And she presumes that all Black candidates would have been equally unappealing. If Jesse or Al ran today they'd encounter the same resistance from non-Blacks as two decades ago. Most Whites (and more than a few minorities) didn't vote for them because they're dimwit wannabe ministers who can't speak standard English or let an ambulance pass by without chasing it.

Wonder what Michelle's SAT scores were for admission to Princeton. Bet she was another affirmative action baby. Read her senior thesis online and you'll soon see what I mean.

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