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Adventurer
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 Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: Conservatives say Obama lacks patriotism |
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Conservatives say Obama lacks patriotism By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
Sun Feb 24, 7:34 AM ET
WASHINGTON - Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.
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Now Obama's wife, Michelle, has drawn their ire, too, for saying recently that she's really proud of her country for the first time in her adult life.
Conservative consultants say that combined, the cases could be an issue for Obama in the general election if he wins the nomination, especially as he runs against Vietnam war hero Sen. John McCain.
Obama's comments led conservatives and media commentators to question his patriotism.
"First he kicked his American flag pin to the curb. Now Barack Obama has a new round of patriotism problems. Wait until you hear what the White House hopeful didn't do during the singing of the national anthem," said Steve Doocy, co-host of "Fox and Friends" on the Fox News Channel.
"He felt it OK to come out of the closet as the domestic insurgent he is," former radio host Mark Williams said on Fox.
Gration said he had a copy of the national anthem photo e-mailed to him by a friend who didn't know the facts and questioned how a military man could support someone who doesn't honor the Pledge of Allegiance.
"I go to baseball games and football games and there's just a minority of us who put our hands over our heart. It's not an indication of patriotism," Gration said. Gration said he personally wears a flag pin, but "if I meet someone who doesn't have a lapel pin, it doesn't mean they are more or less patriotic than I am."
And, he added, "I don't think you can find Barack again not putting his hand over his heart at the national anthem."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080224/ap_on_el_pr/obama_attack_fodder;_ylt=Aq3rrZXtGYO7VlSwqc5grcth24cA |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Umm Adventurer, sidescroll. May I recommed tinyurl.com?
As to the topic...
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"He felt it OK to come out of the closet as the domestic insurgent he is," former radio host Mark Williams said on Fox.
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Domestic insurgent, eh? This type of off-the-wall attack is only going to appeal to people who are already voting Republican anyway. More measured rhetoric might have some appeal with moderatley conservative crossover voters, however. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Sometimes I think the left are the ones most interested in right-wing talk radio. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I too am surprised that anyone is listening to what conservatives have to say. Hasn't listening to the far right talking heads lost its lustre? Isn't the country screwed up enough that it doesn't take those bastards to get a good mad on? I'm all for righteous indignation, but there must be a limit. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Sometimes I think the left are the ones most interested in right-wing talk radio. |
I don't listen to a lot of it myself, living in Korea and all. I do get the impression that it's the kind of thing that would appeal mostly to people already in the GOP column. I mean, as an example, Limbaugh's attacks on McCain obviously aren't being marketted at Democrats.
Just a guess, but I'd think that the biggest impact RWTR would have is in mobilizing the GOP base to get out and vote, not in convincing people who are Democrats to become Republicans. Let's face it. If it's 1998 and you're someone whose already voted for Clinton twice, you're probably not gonna suddenly decide he's the antichrist because is calling him names on the radio. (That example should show you how current I am on RWTR.) |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Obama's patriotism was already under question because he didn't vote for war, and in some circles, being pro-war is the definition of patriotic. Any war. Any time.
The lapel pin thing reminds me of North Korea, where mandatory patriotism requires Dear Leader lapel pins. Obama supporters are just going to  at this one, and see it for the petty desperate attempt at smearing that it is. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Come on, Adventurer: shorten that link and eliminate the sidescroll.
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| I do get the impression that it's the kind of thing that would appeal mostly to people already in the GOP column. |
Well, if it is any measure, I place myself in the GOP column and I completely disagree with nearly everything Coulter and Limbaugh and the other right-wing media personalities say. And I do not plan to vote for Obama. But I would not list his "patriotism," or alleged lack thereof, as having anything to do with my choice.
I also imagine there are people who place themselves in the Democratic column and completely disagree with nearly everything Michael Moore and the other left-wing media personalities say.
Why do these people dominate so much of our time and attention? We should lock them all int a room and let them scream at each other until they drop dead from self-induced apoplexy. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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I don�t think Obama isn�t patriotic, however I wouldn�t be surprised if he wasn�t playing for the left wing of the democratic party with his actions, much like the way George Bush visited Bob Jones university to play up to the right wing of the Republican party in 2000.
In case you all didn't figure it out Obama is a politician.
Yes America would be a better place both those who were impressed by George Bush going to Bob Jones university and those who were impressed by Obama not putting his hand on his heart for the National Anthem were not around any more. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| America would be a better place both those who were impressed by George Bush going to Bob Jones university and those who were impressed by Obama not putting his hand on his heart for the National Anthem were not around any more. |
Nicely said. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
In case you all didn't figure it out Obama is a politician.
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No, he's transcendent, Joo.
He's beyond what we've ever experienced. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope you are joking. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| I hope you are joking. |
No, he's not. He's delusional. The Clinton campaign is all about smear and snear. How has that worked out so far?
It's funny how certain people on this board are claiming arrogance and inevitability on the part of Obama supporters, when Clinton has shown that throughout her campaign |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| I hope you are joking. |
Yes he is, but seriously he does have a feces fetish. |
I was just trying to summon M-Dave. I so missed his contributions.
What I love most is how he's also beyond the old attacks and smears.
The truth is: many people are backing Obama simply because they don't like Hillary. They don't buy half of the stuff he says, either. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
I was just trying to summon M-Dave. I so missed his contributions.
What I love most is how he's also beyond the old attacks and smears.
The truth is: many people are backing Obama simply because they don't like Hillary. They don't buy half of the stuff he says, either. |
I've clearly stated in another thread why I wouldn't vote for Clinton. Maybe you should go back and read that. By the way, I do believe in both his message and his stance on issues. Go ahead and keep arguing the cult thing, it's not like it's beneath you. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
I was just trying to summon M-Dave. I so missed his contributions.
What I love most is how he's also beyond the old attacks and smears.
The truth is: many people are backing Obama simply because they don't like Hillary. They don't buy half of the stuff he says, either. |
I've clearly stated in another thread why I wouldn't vote for Clinton. Maybe you should go back and read that. By the way, I do believe in both his message and his stance on issues. Go ahead and keep arguing the cult thing, it's not like it's beneath you. |
I could give a shit if you make this personal, M-Dave. I'm not some p*ssy-foot who just arrived on the political scene as soon as some hot, new star rolled up.
Hint: I have lost my enthusiasm for this election, and it has less to do with Hillary or Barack than you'd like to think. |
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